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More children hurting if DCF goes begging

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"Susan" <Mrs-K…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:1489-3E317185-372@storefull-2114.public.lawson.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Doug wrote: > <snip> > >In fact, a very large proportion of a > > caseworker’s daily schedule consists of > > these tasks. > You are referring to transporting foster children.  I don’t believe this > claim at all.  Can you show us something that demonstrates that a large > proportion of a caseworkers daily schedule consists of driving foster > children around? > Ron, Kev, what’s your take on this?  Do caseworkers spend a lot of time > transporting your foster children?  Other than when the caseworkers > firsts brings the children, or takes them from our care, our caseworkers > never transport the children.

Well here the CASA’s, aids and the caseworkers would transport my nieces and nephews to visits, medical appointments, and therapy.  The foster caregivers did the rest of the transporting. When they assigned the new caseworker the kids had already been returned to their mom and mostly CASa’s transported them to therapy.

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Doug, Kane’s comments shows that he seriously UNDERESTIMATES the discontent about CPS which comes from many quarters. Good.  The activists have helped to restructure DFS, DSS, CPS, DCF, out of a hope that CPS can get their act together and perhaps act in tandem in with families. Their current approach SIMPLY IS NOT WORKING. And of course, we all realize the tremendous POTENTIAL for scamming the taxpayers which is rampant, in a secret, closed system. Heck, DHHS never even AUDITED state CPS institutions till 2002. This is to all those fine folk who are helping restructure CPS while promoting effective use of scarce monetary resources. http://www.childlaws.com (KY Website for those troubled by many of DHHR’s interventions. http://www.donttakeourkids.com (Midwest site for folk to network) Doug posted: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: More children hurting if DCF goes begging >From: dougl…@earthlink.net >Date: 1/24/2003 10:58 AM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <vodY9.656$U27.73…@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> >Kane writes: >> > DCF should hire drivers to transport children back and forth.  A $7 an >hour >> > driver is more COST EFFICIENT THAN a time and half cw. >> r r r r , just the thing that shows you to be a lying Plant. You claim >> to have taught MSWs, right? You claim knowledge of how the system >> works, right? >> I haven’t found a state yet that DOESN’T use lower paid aids to >> transport children to lower risk or non case related appointments. .. >> health care, therapy, etc. >Hi, Kane! >Well, you have found one now. >We both know that states vary tremendously in child welfare practice.  In my >jurisdiction, caseworkers do all of the transporting.  I checked with >neighboring counties just to make sure and none of them did things any >differently.  Statewide, we have no provisions for hiring lower-level >workers that you describe to take on this role. >> Usually those folks are trained in community colleges in human service >> disciplines. Often some are college students in four year programs >> related to social work. >Again, no job descriptions for this type of work in this state.  Interns >from a multitude of disciplines are accepted, and, in our jurisdiction, >start immediately working along side caseworkers.  They shadow caseworkers >and eventually do the work themselves, but they are not delegated mundane >tasks like transporting because their purpose for the unpaid experience is >to learn what caseworkers are doing. >> Where policy requires the presence of the worker, or someone at that >> level of responsibility then the worker drives. Like to visitations >> sometimes, or to court, or to exams for evidence of abuse and neglect, >> but rarely for just routine trips unless it is time for the worker to >> visit the child as per policy for the monthlies. >Simply not true in this state.  Caseworkers do all of the transporting and >their is no established higherarchy requiring someone "at that level of >responsibility" to shuck the routine role of casework.  In fact, a very >large proportion of a caseworker’s daily schedule consists of these tasks. >> Still lying to the troops eh, Plant? >No, in this case, like many others, Fern has correctly assessed a problem >that exists at least in one area of the country.  You had an opinion >otherwise, and in the case of at least one state, you were wrong.  That’s >fine.  But that your uninformed opinion differed from Fern’s statement does >not make Fern a liar.   That your opinion was incorrect concerning some >jurisdictions does not make you a liar. >Knee jerk name calling contributes nothing to a open discussion of opinions.

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fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote in message <news:20030124091540.16097.00000269@mb-mo.aol.com>… > FL–Caseworker Mirla Pronga. > Transporting an infant while dead drunk. > Her trial will begin shortly. > Poke asked:>Where policy requires the presence of the worker, or someone at > that > >level of responsibility then the worker drives. Like to visitations > >sometimes, or to court, or to exams for evidence of abuse and neglect, > >but rarely for just routine trips unless it is time for the worker to > >visit the child as per policy for the > Or how about the Christines?

You can’t be suggesting that was a routine trip…with someone that had already demonstrated clearly he was not going to do what it took to get his kids back legally. Or could you? r r r r Still at it I see. Stoneman

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>Or how about the Christines?

What are you on about now plant?  What does transporting foster children have to do with those child abusers, (the Christines)?  Are you referring to how Brian used a gun and traumatised those poor little little girls even more than they already were as he kidnapped them? Can you tell me how this relates?

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FL–Caseworker Mirla Pronga. Transporting an infant while dead drunk. Her trial will begin shortly. Poke asked:>Where policy requires the presence of the worker, or someone at that >level of responsibility then the worker drives. Like to visitations >sometimes, or to court, or to exams for evidence of abuse and neglect, >but rarely for just routine trips unless it is time for the worker to >visit the child as per policy for the

Or how about the Christines? http://www.familyrightsassociation.com (OR support group)

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Kane writes: > > DCF should hire drivers to transport children back and forth.  A $7 an hour > > driver is more COST EFFICIENT THAN a time and half cw. > r r r r , just the thing that shows you to be a lying Plant. You claim > to have taught MSWs, right? You claim knowledge of how the system > works, right? > I haven’t found a state yet that DOESN’T use lower paid aids to > transport children to lower risk or non case related appointments. .. > health care, therapy, etc.

Hi, Kane! Well, you have found one now. We both know that states vary tremendously in child welfare practice.  In my jurisdiction, caseworkers do all of the transporting.  I checked with neighboring counties just to make sure and none of them did things any differently.  Statewide, we have no provisions for hiring lower-level workers that you describe to take on this role. > Usually those folks are trained in community colleges in human service > disciplines. Often some are college students in four year programs > related to social work.

Again, no job descriptions for this type of work in this state.  Interns from a multitude of disciplines are accepted, and, in our jurisdiction, start immediately working along side caseworkers.  They shadow caseworkers and eventually do the work themselves, but they are not delegated mundane tasks like transporting because their purpose for the unpaid experience is to learn what caseworkers are doing. > Where policy requires the presence of the worker, or someone at that > level of responsibility then the worker drives. Like to visitations > sometimes, or to court, or to exams for evidence of abuse and neglect, > but rarely for just routine trips unless it is time for the worker to > visit the child as per policy for the monthlies.

Simply not true in this state.  Caseworkers do all of the transporting and their is no established higherarchy requiring someone "at that level of responsibility" to shuck the routine role of casework.  In fact, a very large proportion of a caseworker’s daily schedule consists of these tasks. > Still lying to the troops eh, Plant?

No, in this case, like many others, Fern has correctly assessed a problem that exists at least in one area of the country.  You had an opinion otherwise, and in the case of at least one state, you were wrong.  That’s fine.  But that your uninformed opinion differed from Fern’s statement does not make Fern a liar.   That your opinion was incorrect concerning some jurisdictions does not make you a liar. Knee jerk name calling contributes nothing to a open discussion of opinions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Doug wrote:

<snip> >In fact, a very large proportion of a > caseworker’s daily schedule consists of > these tasks.

You are referring to transporting foster children.  I don’t believe this claim at all.  Can you show us something that demonstrates that a large proportion of a caseworkers daily schedule consists of driving foster children around? Ron, Kev, what’s your take on this?  Do caseworkers spend a lot of time transporting your foster children?  Other than when the caseworkers firsts brings the children, or takes them from our care, our caseworkers never transport the children.

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Perhaps DCF should be subject to some financial oversights. After all, Rilya’s cw was WORKING A SECOND JOB when she was supposed to be *out in the field.* DCF should hire drivers to transport children back and forth.  A $7 an hour driver is more COST EFFICIENT THAN a time and half cw. Just what are the stats for OT at DCF with all the cw resignations? You’d think that they would have SOME BUSINESS ACUMEN.  Well, it doesn’t matter the taxpayers will EAT IT and accept it blindly. After all….as Neal penned: ‘BUT IT’S FOR THE CHILLDREEEEENNN." http://www.CPSWatch.com/fl/   Florida site for those abused by DCF and their families to network)

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fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote in message <news:20030123101700.18611.00000344@mb-dh.aol.com>…

snip………… > DCF should hire drivers to transport children back and forth.  A $7 an hour > driver is more COST EFFICIENT THAN a time and half cw.

r r r r , just the thing that shows you to be a lying Plant. You claim to have taught MSWs, right? You claim knowledge of how the system works, right? I haven’t found a state yet that DOESN’T use lower paid aids to transport children to lower risk or non case related appointments. .. health care, therapy, etc. Usually those folks are trained in community colleges in human service disciplines. Often some are college students in four year programs related to social work. Where policy requires the presence of the worker, or someone at that level of responsibility then the worker drives. Like to visitations sometimes, or to court, or to exams for evidence of abuse and neglect, but rarely for just routine trips unless it is time for the worker to visit the child as per policy for the monthlies. Still lying to the troops eh, Plant?

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More children hurting if DCF goes begging Palm Beach Post Editorial Monday, January 20, 2003 On Tuesday, Gov. Bush reveals his proposed 2003-2004 budget. His comments indicate that he’ll do little to prepare for the impending crush of emergency expenses. Start with the problem that’s harming children. Gov. Bush says he will seek a little more money for the Department of Children and Families, but Jerry Regier, whom the governor brought in to steer the agency through crisis after the Rilya Wilson case, won’t get nearly the $473 million increase that he told the governor he needs. Gov. Bush will ask for some raises — increasing average pay for child welfare workers to $34,000 from $30,000, for example — and that’s good. But he won’t seek any tax increases to pay for it, and he won’t hire enough new caseworkers to significantly ease the workload that drives away employees and contributes to mistakes. Instead, Gov. Bush is pushing for faster privatization, which he prefers to call "community-based care." Whatever he calls it, local organizations that might take over the duties worry that part of Gov. Bush’s plan is to shift costs from the state to them. The state spends $860 million a year on child-welfare services, including adoption and foster care, as well as investigating and preventing child abuse. Existing problems with shifting care to local not-for-profit groups indicate that it will be hard to save money that way. Child and Family Connections was supposed to take over adoption and foster-care services in Palm Beach County on Jan. 1. Mr. Regier extended the deadline because the group said it needed at least $7 million more than the state offered. Meanwhile, the county’s DCF has fallen even further into leaderless disarray. Gov. Bush also wants to shift child-abuse investigation duties to local sheriffs. That might be a job law enforcement can do better; results of test projects are mixed. But will the state compensate the 67 counties, or are local taxpayers supposed to pick up the difference? Not-for-profit groups and agencies are nervous because Gov. Bush also is doing little to prepare for major expenses such as the class-size amendment, rising Medicaid costs and the requirement that the state absorb judicial costs the counties have been paying. Gov. Bush says he can get by another year without tax increases, partially by emptying the few trust funds and one-time pots of money that he and the Legislature didn’t raid last year. Gov. Bush and House Speaker Johnnie Byrd, R-Plant City, look at the looming $2 billion budget hole and see no need to raise or reform taxes. Senate President Jim King, R-Jacksonville, and his budget chairman, Sen. Ken Pruitt, R-Port St. Lucie, are more open to averting a wider fiscal crisis. But the Senate is only one-third of the equation. Last year, the governor shot down the Senate’s idea to begin long-overdue reform of the state’s archaic tax system. Gov. Bush, who spent much of his first four years handing out tax breaks, insists that state services can scrounge for another year. He sees the crisis coming, and shrugs http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/monday/opinion_e… Barbara has one of the best web site for foster parents at http://www.fosterparents.com/ Barbara has all kind of info for foster parents from online training to a chat room there is also a page with links to  with your state agency. http://www.fosterparenting.com/   There also great info on http://www.fosterclub.com/grownups/index.html You can get tons of support/information here. http://www.kuddlekids.com/ There is also a web ring for foster parents if you go to  http://o.webring.com/webring?ring=fostercarering;list there is a list of sites in ring You can do a net search using http://www.yahoo.com/ http://www.google.com/ You can go to http://www.copernic.com/  and get Copernic 2001 basic for free, it will search  obtain fast, relevant results from the greatest number of information sources 18 and categories available on the Internet!

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