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"Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:cQRt9.3226$D63.1@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… <snip> > A few more dogs… a few more kids… > How do you make money? > VOLUME!!! > Sounds like you have a heart of gold!

Nah…….just in it for the money ;-)

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>There is no tax man. Fosties pay is tax > free. A dollar to them is like 2 to me. >Tootles,

Bologna.  The money we get is taxed.  I keep reading this from people that aren’t fosties and simply don’t know what they are talking about.

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"Susan" <Mrs-K…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:22819-3DB82725-41@storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net… > >There is no tax man. Fosties pay is tax > > free. A dollar to them is like 2 to me. > >Tootles, > Bologna.  The money we get is taxed.  I keep reading this from people > that aren’t fosties and simply don’t know what they are talking about.

www.kennedykrieger.org/fostercare/recruit.html Foster Parent Benefits Most foster parents find the rewards of providing children with a stable and loving environment invaluable.  But foster parents also receive: Financial Compensation – Foster parents receive a tax-free stipend plus room & board payments to cover a child’s expenses. Specialized Training – Foster parents receive professional training on how to care for and manage the child’s disabilities. Support Services – Foster parents receive ongoing specialized training, 24-hour emergency service, social work support and help coordinating needed services. Respite Care – Foster parents are encouraged to take advantage of this service, allowing for vacation and time off from daily responsibilities. A Child is Waiting ……for your benifit Taloolabelle who hates doing research for half-cocked crazies

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"Taloolabelle Bumphead" <taloolabe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:_mWt9.8876$46.3516@fe01… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Susan" <Mrs-K…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:22819-3DB82725-41@storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net… > > >There is no tax man. Fosties pay is tax > > > free. A dollar to them is like 2 to me. > > >Tootles, > > Bologna.  The money we get is taxed.  I keep reading this from people > > that aren’t fosties and simply don’t know what they are talking about. > www.kennedykrieger.org/fostercare/recruit.html > Foster Parent Benefits > Most foster parents find the rewards of providing children with a stable and > loving environment invaluable.  But foster parents also receive: > Financial Compensation – Foster parents receive a tax-free stipend plus room > & board payments to cover a child’s expenses. > Specialized Training – Foster parents receive professional training on how > to care for and manage the child’s disabilities. > Support Services – Foster parents receive ongoing specialized training, > 24-hour emergency service, social work support and help coordinating needed > services. > Respite Care – Foster parents are encouraged to take advantage of this > service, allowing for vacation and time off from daily responsibilities. > A Child is Waiting

Sounds like a gd infomercial. Garner His grace AND ALSO RECIEVE as an added benifit, free money and stuff for you and your lucky family.. Catman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ……for your benifit > Taloolabelle > who hates doing research for half-cocked crazies

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>Not much chance of that love cause > there’s always something left to remind > you. Like a check stub.

Ah yes, the warmth and knowledge of a ping pong ball.

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Fern, the problems that the child had were a staph infection (found to be caused by hospital personnel) and a bed sore, this child was in 2 casts-witha bar in between her legs so all she could do was be on her behind, which in turn caused the sore.  She has a visiting nurse, home health aides to help all was well docuimented.  But when the bmom took her for her visit (the bmom also placed her into foster care cause she cannnot care for her full time) she tok her to HER own pediatrician who had no idea of what was going on (not the regular pediatrician that the child sees) and the allegatrions came form there.  All I asked was wanting ot know how long an investigation would take, and what I could do to offer her support.  I guess that’s why I do not post herre anymore.  When someone I know is being falsely accused I want to offer help and support and thought I could turn to you and get some ideas.  Guess I was wrong.  Ann

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>Isn’t there a limit to the number of > *severely handicapped* children who > can be housed withina foster home?

There is a foster family in my area that takes in several severely handicapped children.  More than just two adults can handle.  But they have paid help as well as many volunteers that help them.  The  family gets a lot of donations of food and clothing as well.  These people are wonderful.  They have no life as we think of it.  They spend 24/7 caring for these kids. I try and get over their once in awhile to do a few loads of laundry or whatever needs to be done at the time. They probably have 8 to 10 kids at one time, sometimes more.

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"Susan" <Mrs-K…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:4714-3DB81B4C-77@storefull-2113.public.lawson.webtv.net… >I was starting to think that all of our hard work was for > nothing.

Not much chance of that love cause there’s always something left to remind you. Like a check stub. Taloolabelle

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Isn’t there a limit to the number of *severely handicapped* children who can be housed withina foster home? What are state regulations with regard to this? Maybe CPS is finally doing its job. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - >cow…@aol.com (Cows69) wrote in message ><news:20021023100145.09336.00000499@mb-da.aol.com>… >> A dear friend of mine who is a foster mom to 4 severely handicapped >children, >> had an allegation of abuse and neglect filed against her last week.  It >seems >> one of the children she has who has undergone surgery to repair defects in >her >> hips and legs wound up with a staph infection (fromt he hospital, after >they >> investigated found it came from them) and abed sore on her behind.  This >foster >> mom has documented everything from all the trips to the doctors, the >problems >> with the infection and the visiting nurse has documented about the bed >sore. >> How long can she expect an investigation to take?  And the agency has >assured >> her that  the other 3 children will not be removed because they don’t have >a >> home available that is equipped to take these kids.  I want to be so >supportive >> of her and through this tough time to offer advice to her.  If anyone can >give >> me anything please do so.  But please no flames!  Thanks!  Ann >Hey Ann, >The law may give CPS 60 or 90 days to complete their investigation but >in actuality they can legally take as long as they want. >The child has been removed, I take it. >What state is your friend in? >Chances are the allegation about your friend will be unfounded and >everything should go back to the way it was. >Staph infection acquired in the hospital are unfortunately a fact of >life and sores from being bedridden are something that have to be >expected from time to time too. >I wish your friend all the luck in the world. >It should be alright IMO. >All the best, Dan Sullivan

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"Kane" <pohakuyakok…@subdimension.com> wrote in message

news:7ed8d1be.0210240726.5267cc87@posting.google.com… > Sorry, the amount of money in a subsidy must exceed the amount of > expenses for 3 out of 5 years or some such formula for the tax man to > agree it’s a business.

There is no tax man. Fosties pay is tax free. A dollar to them is like 2 to me. Tootles, Tootsie

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"dickinson" <bid…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message

news:ap8u2g$sfg9v$1@ID-144939.news.dfncis.de… > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:cQRt9.3226$D63.1@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > <snip> > > A few more dogs… a few more kids… > > How do you make money? > > VOLUME!!! > > Sounds like you have a heart of gold! > Nah…….just in it for the money ;-)

That’s what I figured. Dan

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Hi Kev, your post was really touching.  You sound as if you and your family are great people, hats off to you. I can relate to some of the things that you said.  One of my foster children spoke with his/her bio mom on the phone for the first time in two years about a month ago.  Mom said she couldn’t call before because she couldn’t find a phone.   It took 3 weeks to get the child to calm down and act semi normal again.  The child is just now getting back on track.  I was starting to think that all of our hard work was for nothing. My long term foster children acted like angels for the first four months or so.  Then the problems started surface.  I think they put on a little act at first so they can be excepted, or something like that. But even through the disruptions we see the loving children deep inside. Under all of their rough upbringing they still manage to save a bit of kindness and love.  My FC try very hard to help each other and be little mothers and fathers to the other children. I suppose it comes from having to be so self reliant in the past. I haven’t had any kids in their teens, probably won’t.  I requested younger children but told them that in a jam I would take older ones. Most of us know that Boob is a cold hearted jerk.  He doesn’t have parenting skills so he can’t relate with what being a good parent is. That includes how much money and work that is entailed with caring for these children that come to us with tons of emotional baggage.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Bob" <sue…@ascps.com> wrote in message <news:FbKt9.8403$46.2997@fe01>… > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:_JEt9.15532$Z9.12598@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > > "Bob" <sue…@ascps.com> wrote in message news:nXyt9.7860$46.3154@fe01… > > > "Cows69" <cow…@aol.com> wrote in message > > > news:20021023100145.09336.00000499@mb-da.aol.com… > > > Yes. Your friend is in good shape. Few are assured during an >  investigation > > > that the kids will remain reguardless of the outcome. Your friend is >  lucky. > > > Chances are, her business will not be disturbed. A finding against her > > > business is a finding against the agency investigating the allegations. > > Yo, Bob! > > The subject of the report is a PERSON. > > The allegation is made about HER! > > Not a business. > > You know this. > I know nothing of the sort.

I guess you are having trouble seeing more than you cloaca then. > I know poor parents routinely lose custody of > ONE disabled child because CPS says they can’t provide the necessary care.

"Routinely"? Two a day? One a month? One every five years? Which is it? > Ms. Cows dear friend has 4 severely handicapped children who belong to other > people, who she watches for money.

No she doesn’t. She volunteers and she likely doesn’t even get enough to from the foster subsidy to reimburse her for expenses. Fosters "routinely", like damn near every day, spend more money on children in their care than the child’s subsidy. > The fact that she probably takes home > more than a pair of working parents, makes it a business in my eyes.

Sorry, the amount of money in a subsidy must exceed the amount of expenses for 3 out of 5 years or some such formula for the tax man to agree it’s a business. Have you been a foster parent and are you willing to testify that you made a profit and it was a business? Folks tend to think that others (why may be getting their money from various sources) are doing better than them. YOU in a bad way, Bob? > Her > heart may be overflowing with love, but her business is children for money.

Show us some tax statements. There’s no profit in fostering unless you count the businesses that contract for therapeutic foster homes…and they have one hell of a time making a profit either. > Allegations made against state contractors are akin to allegations against > the agency itself. I met a lady today who said her 6 yo had several large > bruises. He told his mom his fosties had thrown him down the steps. She went > to CPS, but they wouldn’t take the report [told parents & children often > make false allegations against fosties]. She called Harrisburg, and they > wouldn’t take the report.

Oh yeah. The Report. So, are you saying that foster children and their parents DON’T make false allegations against foster parents, or is it "bios" and "fosties"? In fact, this happens constantly, like "routinely". Here’s a couple reasons that CPS might have been slow to react. One, the child obviously was not in the hospital so the report could wait until more urgent matters were taken care of. Could have been a busy office. Two, crying wolf usually has the results expected. > Another guy, an attorney, said he had recently spent time at the courthouse > trying to file his own report against fosties. CYS refused to take the > report. The Juvenile Court Master refused to take the report. And so on down > [or up] the line until after 4 hours, the master called him in and took the > report so they could close the courthouse.

Isn’t that odd? I wonder if this was one of the nuisance filings so common to the business? And this attorney a nuisance filer as a habit. > Parents get hotlined by anonymous > garbage can snoopers and lose their kids before sundown.

Parents also get hotlined by teachers, schools, pediatricians, and neighbors who are tired of seeing hungry children with suspicious marks on them at 11 o’clock at night begging for food or to come in out of the cold because mom has a boyfriend visiting. > CPS turns out the > lights and draws the shades when it comes to policing their own.

Anyone that can read or has a TV set and watches knows better than that. It’s just that they don’t do it on YOUR schedule the way YOU want. So tell me, Bob, how is it I read news articles about workers being charged with crimes, fired from their jobs? Is it all a big CPS hoax then? It’s called due process, Bob, and it’s obvious you and some others here think it mandatory for abusive parents but damn well don’t want it for anyone else. > Bob > www.suecps.com

Oh, that’s right, it’s old "suecps bob." Gosh, you wouldn’t have a bias there, wouldyah Bob? Tah, Bias Bob. r r r r r bingo bango bongo, Stoneman

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"Bob" <sue…@ascps.com> wrote in message news:FbKt9.8403$46.2997@fe01… > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:_JEt9.15532$Z9.12598@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > > "Bob" <sue…@ascps.com> wrote in message

news:nXyt9.7860$46.3154@fe01… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > "Cows69" <cow…@aol.com> wrote in message > > > news:20021023100145.09336.00000499@mb-da.aol.com… > > > Yes. Your friend is in good shape. Few are assured during an > investigation > > > that the kids will remain reguardless of the outcome. Your friend is > > lucky. > > > Chances are, her business will not be disturbed. A finding against her > > > business is a finding against the agency investigating the allegations. > > Yo, Bob! > > The subject of the report is a PERSON. > > The allegation is made about HER! > > Not a business. > > You know this. > I know nothing of the sort.

You don’t know that individuals are named as subjects of the report in a child maltreatment investigation? Why don’t you come back when you’re familiar with what you’re talking about. In the meantime why don’t you go off on a rant. > I know poor parents routinely lose custody of > ONE disabled child because CPS says they can’t provide the necessary care. > Ms. Cows dear friend has 4 severely handicapped children who belong to other > people, who she watches for money.

The woman doesn’t just WATCH them, she cares for them night and day and receives compensation for what she does. If she cared for the children for no compensation you’d have a different opinion? > The fact that she probably takes home > more than a pair of working parents, makes it a business in my eyes.

Oh, "probably." This lady isn’t caring for the children for 8 hours and then going home. She’s caring for them 3Xs that; 24 hours a day. If she’s caring for these kids by herself, she should be paid what THREE working parents get paid. MORE in fact. I’ll bet there’s at least TWO people caring for those kids. Does that even out the money problem for you? > Her > heart may be overflowing with love, but her business is children for

money. You really mean to say, her business "probaby" "in my eyes" is caring for children because "her heart is overflowing with love." > Allegations made against state contractors are akin to allegations against > the agency itself. I met a lady today who said her 6 yo had several large > bruises. He told his mom his fosties had thrown him down the steps. She went > to CPS, but they wouldn’t take the report [told parents & children often > make false allegations against fosties]. She called Harrisburg, and they > wouldn’t take the report.

But obviously CPS took the report about this woman. So I guess this tangent you ran off on isn’t comparable. > Another guy, an attorney, said he had recently spent time at the courthouse > trying to file his own report against fosties. CYS refused to take the > report. The Juvenile Court Master refused to take the report. And so on down > [or up] the line until after 4 hours, the master called him in and took the > report so they could close the courthouse. Parents get hotlined by anonymous > garbage can snoopers and lose their kids before sundown. CPS turns out the > lights and draws the shades when it comes to policing their own.

The allegedly maltreated child WAS removed from the woman’s care. Your two examples are of cases where CPS didn’t want to take a report. In the case being discussed CPS did take the report. I’m not saying CPS doesn’t suck, but this woman appears to be a saint when it comes to fostercare. I wish CPS did everything right. Dan

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"Fern5827" <fern5…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20021024093522.28751.00000046@mb-mv.aol.com… > Isn’t there a limit to the number of *severely handicapped* children who can be > housed withina foster home?

Probably, but what the f**k do you do with them if all the carers are fully booked and the kids are at proven risk from the natural parents? I eagerly await your solution to this dilemma

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A dear friend of mine who is a foster mom to 4 severely handicapped children, had an allegation of abuse and neglect filed against her last week.  It seems one of the children she has who has undergone surgery to repair defects in her hips and legs wound up with a staph infection (fromt he hospital, after they investigated found it came from them) and abed sore on her behind.  This foster mom has documented everything from all the trips to the doctors, the problems with the infection and the visiting nurse has documented about the bed sore. How long can she expect an investigation to take?  And the agency has assured her that  the other 3 children will not be removed because they don’t have a home available that is equipped to take these kids.  I want to be so supportive of her and through this tough time to offer advice to her.  If anyone can give me anything please do so.  But please no flames!  Thanks!  Ann

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cow…@aol.com (Cows69) wrote in message <news:20021023100145.09336.00000499@mb-da.aol.com>… > A dear friend of mine who is a foster mom to 4 severely handicapped children, > had an allegation of abuse and neglect filed against her last week.  It seems > one of the children she has who has undergone surgery to repair defects in her > hips and legs wound up with a staph infection (fromt he hospital, after they > investigated found it came from them) and abed sore on her behind.  This foster > mom has documented everything from all the trips to the doctors, the problems > with the infection and the visiting nurse has documented about the bed sore. > How long can she expect an investigation to take?  And the agency has assured > her that  the other 3 children will not be removed because they don’t have a > home available that is equipped to take these kids.  I want to be so supportive > of her and through this tough time to offer advice to her.  If anyone can give > me anything please do so.  But please no flames!  Thanks!  Ann

Hey Ann, The law may give CPS 60 or 90 days to complete their investigation but in actuality they can legally take as long as they want. The child has been removed, I take it. What state is your friend in? Chances are the allegation about your friend will be unfounded and everything should go back to the way it was. Staph infection acquired in the hospital are unfortunately a fact of life and sores from being bedridden are something that have to be expected from time to time too. I wish your friend all the luck in the world. It should be alright IMO. All the best, Dan Sullivan

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You think you’ve got the skills to have a go at this "business"?……… you wanker! Your type make me want to throw up. This is a specialist carer that you attempt to denigrate with your Neanderthal attempts to mask your own failings. Crawl back under your rock, hibernate for another millennia, and you might just awake with enough "tools" to hold a half human conversation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Bob" <sue…@ascps.com> wrote in message news:nXyt9.7860$46.3154@fe01… > "Cows69" <cow…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20021023100145.09336.00000499@mb-da.aol.com… > > A dear friend of mine who is a foster mom to 4 severely handicapped > children, > > had an allegation of abuse and neglect filed against her last week.  It > seems > > one of the children she has who has undergone surgery to repair defects in > her > > hips and legs wound up with a staph infection (fromt he hospital, after > they > > investigated found it came from them) and abed sore on her behind.  This > foster > > mom has documented everything from all the trips to the doctors, the > problems > > with the infection and the visiting nurse has documented about the bed > sore. > > How long can she expect an investigation to take? > I believe most states it’s suppose to be 30 days. It shouldn’t take much > longer than a month or two. > >And the agency has assured > > her that  the other 3 children will not be removed because they don’t have > a > > home available that is equipped to take these kids. > Yes. Your friend is in good shape. Few are assured during an investigation > that the kids will remain reguardless of the outcome. Your friend is lucky. > Chances are, her business will not be disturbed. A finding against her > business is a finding against the agency investigating the allegations. > >I want to be so supportive > > of her and through this tough time to offer advice to her.  If anyone can > give > > me anything please do so.  But please no flames!  Thanks!  Ann > Don’t they have local support groups for people impacted by occupational > hazards ? Perhaps your friend could seek solice there. Or perhaps a change > in her business plan might work. She could do 8 regular clients, make as > much money, and eliminate the risk associated with ’special needs’ clients. > Or, if she is fed up and considering a career change, she might put her 9 > hours training, and extensive personal experience into rescuing dogs. I > heard theraputic kennels have great potential for profit. > Bob > www.suecps.com

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"dickinson" <bid…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message

news:ap81ej$s9if7$1@ID-144939.news.dfncis.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:GDGt9.16698$Z9.7097@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > > "dickinson" <bid…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > > news:ap7bc1$sr8ja$1@ID-144939.news.dfncis.de… > > > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > > > news:QQEt9.15592$Z9.4991@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > > > ,snip> > > > > Get ‘im Dicky! > > > Aah…….my old school nickname :-) > > > > Regards, Dan from Noo Yawk > > > G’Day mate, from an ex pomm, now an Aussie citizen :) > > OK Dicky, I’ll bite, what’s a pomm? > A Limey (as Yanks used to call us in WWll :) I’m from England. > > And what do you have to do to be an ex pomm? > Migrate away from all that "class stuff" >  > > kev……carer to 3 siblings who came for 3 days…….3 years ago! > > > :-) …..plus two of my own. > > Bob’s gonna ask you what you get paid to take care of them… > Oh Heaps ;-) ……….I’m getting rich quick……….like @ A$100 a week > for the 14 yr old who’s pocket money comes out at A$15 weekly > Who wets every night, has gone through two mattresses and 4 duvets in the > last 6 months………prior to getting too big his night diapers ran at $A15 > weekly………… > Has had to attend speech therapy and psych counselling twice a week. Has > been expelled from two schools in the last 6 months….. > Has needed two full lots of school uniform on an allowance of A$240 every > two years…….it didn’t even buy his sports kit! > Has been stuck at home for the last 7 weeks ’cause we place more emphasis on > safety than education….. > Who will eventually have to be transported and escorted, to and from school > (when we find one) as he succumbs too easily to crime when left to his own > devices, (his darling mother taught them all how to steal to feed her habit, > and I can’t undo in 3yrs what she has taught them in 11)……. > Who has lit bush fires directly behind our house on two occasions, buned > down the fence, and subsequently threatened suicide if he was taken from us > to residential…… > Who has smashed and graffitied a neighbour’s brand new colorbond fence, who > just happens to be a cop…….. > Who stole dope from a grade 12 and sold it on 4 times (sold it then stole it > back and resold it)…….gotta admire his pluck :-) …… > All these behaviours (and more) after being a "good kid" for the first 21/2 > years……well not entirely, they were all pretty feral for the first two > months :-) > Why was he a good kid?……..because for the first time in his life he felt > safe and loved and "worked at" his stability. > And why did he (and the others) change? > Because the department let them stay with their father for a week, on his > release from prison. The boy got drunk…….He stole….. and he did as he > wanted/had been taught to do, because his father didn’t have the skills to > manage him (and I am being charitable here). He began to feel unsafe all > over again, and returned to "familiar behaviours". > This is the kid who still gets up at 3 in the morning to toilet, or change > his siblings, despite being wet himself. This is the kid who is "best buddy" > to my 9 yr old autistic son and shelters him when he is in sensory overload. > This is the kid who gives his ice cream cone to my other son when my son has > dropped his. > But this ranks as nothing in the incentive stakes where money is concerned. > It’s the money that keeps me coming back for more<sarcasm>……….or so > think the people like Bob the Knob(head) who fail to see the "beauty of > life" in the above para > > and wouldn’t dogs be more profitable? > Oh I do them too :-) we rescued a lovely border collie from an abusive > "master" 12 months ago……….cost us over A$500 for vaccinations and > licence, so I must be in that for the money too ;-) > kev………the "get-rich-quick merchant"

A few more dogs… a few more kids… How do you make money? VOLUME!!! Sounds like you have a heart of gold! All the best, Dan

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"dickinson" <bid…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message

news:ap7bc1$sr8ja$1@ID-144939.news.dfncis.de… > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:QQEt9.15592$Z9.4991@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > ,snip> > > Get ‘im Dicky! > Aah…….my old school nickname :-) > > Regards, Dan from Noo Yawk > G’Day mate, from an ex pomm, now an Aussie citizen :)

OK Dicky, I’ll bite, what’s a pomm? And what do you have to do to be an ex pomm? > kev……carer to 3 siblings who came for 3 days…….3 years ago! > :-) …..plus two of my own.

Bob’s gonna ask you what you get paid to take care of them… and wouldn’t dogs be more profitable? Regards, Dan

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"Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:_JEt9.15532$Z9.12598@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Bob" <sue…@ascps.com> wrote in message news:nXyt9.7860$46.3154@fe01… > > "Cows69" <cow…@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:20021023100145.09336.00000499@mb-da.aol.com… > > Yes. Your friend is in good shape. Few are assured during an investigation > > that the kids will remain reguardless of the outcome. Your friend is > lucky. > > Chances are, her business will not be disturbed. A finding against her > > business is a finding against the agency investigating the allegations. > Yo, Bob! > The subject of the report is a PERSON. > The allegation is made about HER! > Not a business. > You know this.

I know nothing of the sort. I know poor parents routinely lose custody of ONE disabled child because CPS says they can’t provide the necessary care. Ms. Cows dear friend has 4 severely handicapped children who belong to other people, who she watches for money. The fact that she probably takes home more than a pair of working parents, makes it a business in my eyes. Her heart may be overflowing with love, but her business is children for money. Allegations made against state contractors are akin to allegations against the agency itself. I met a lady today who said her 6 yo had several large bruises. He told his mom his fosties had thrown him down the steps. She went to CPS, but they wouldn’t take the report [told parents & children often make false allegations against fosties]. She called Harrisburg, and they wouldn’t take the report. Another guy, an attorney, said he had recently spent time at the courthouse trying to file his own report against fosties. CYS refused to take the report. The Juvenile Court Master refused to take the report. And so on down [or up] the line until after 4 hours, the master called him in and took the report so they could close the courthouse. Parents get hotlined by anonymous garbage can snoopers and lose their kids before sundown. CPS turns out the lights and draws the shades when it comes to policing their own. Bob www.suecps.com

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news:GDGt9.16698$Z9.7097@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "dickinson" <bid…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:ap7bc1$sr8ja$1@ID-144939.news.dfncis.de… > > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > > news:QQEt9.15592$Z9.4991@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > > ,snip> > > > Get ‘im Dicky! > > Aah…….my old school nickname :-) > > > Regards, Dan from Noo Yawk > > G’Day mate, from an ex pomm, now an Aussie citizen :) > OK Dicky, I’ll bite, what’s a pomm?

A Limey (as Yanks used to call us in WWll :) I’m from England. > And what do you have to do to be an ex pomm?

Migrate away from all that "class stuff"  > > kev……carer to 3 siblings who came for 3 days…….3 years ago! > > :-) …..plus two of my own. > Bob’s gonna ask you what you get paid to take care of them…

Oh Heaps ;-) ……….I’m getting rich quick……….like @ A$100 a week for the 14 yr old who’s pocket money comes out at A$15 weekly Who wets every night, has gone through two mattresses and 4 duvets in the last 6 months………prior to getting too big his night diapers ran at $A15 weekly………… Has had to attend speech therapy and psych counselling twice a week. Has been expelled from two schools in the last 6 months….. Has needed two full lots of school uniform on an allowance of A$240 every two years…….it didn’t even buy his sports kit! Has been stuck at home for the last 7 weeks ’cause we place more emphasis on safety than education….. Who will eventually have to be transported and escorted, to and from school (when we find one) as he succumbs too easily to crime when left to his own devices, (his darling mother taught them all how to steal to feed her habit, and I can’t undo in 3yrs what she has taught them in 11)……. Who has lit bush fires directly behind our house on two occasions, buned down the fence, and subsequently threatened suicide if he was taken from us to residential…… Who has smashed and graffitied a neighbour’s brand new colorbond fence, who just happens to be a cop…….. Who stole dope from a grade 12 and sold it on 4 times (sold it then stole it back and resold it)…….gotta admire his pluck :-) …… All these behaviours (and more) after being a "good kid" for the first 21/2 years……well not entirely, they were all pretty feral for the first two months :-) Why was he a good kid?……..because for the first time in his life he felt safe and loved and "worked at" his stability. And why did he (and the others) change? Because the department let them stay with their father for a week, on his release from prison. The boy got drunk…….He stole….. and he did as he wanted/had been taught to do, because his father didn’t have the skills to manage him (and I am being charitable here). He began to feel unsafe all over again, and returned to "familiar behaviours". This is the kid who still gets up at 3 in the morning to toilet, or change his siblings, despite being wet himself. This is the kid who is "best buddy" to my 9 yr old autistic son and shelters him when he is in sensory overload. This is the kid who gives his ice cream cone to my other son when my son has dropped his. But this ranks as nothing in the incentive stakes where money is concerned. It’s the money that keeps me coming back for more<sarcasm>……….or so think the people like Bob the Knob(head) who fail to see the "beauty of life" in the above para > and wouldn’t dogs be more profitable?

Oh I do them too :-) we rescued a lovely border collie from an abusive "master" 12 months ago……….cost us over A$500 for vaccinations and licence, so I must be in that for the money too ;-) kev………the "get-rich-quick merchant"

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news:QQEt9.15592$Z9.4991@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… ,snip> > Get ‘im Dicky!

Aah…….my old school nickname :-) > Regards, Dan from Noo Yawk

G’Day mate, from an ex pomm, now an Aussie citizen :) kev……carer to 3 siblings who came for 3 days…….3 years ago! :-) …..plus two of my own.

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"dickinson" <bid…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message

news:ap74jr$s3jvm$1@ID-144939.news.dfncis.de… > You think you’ve got the skills to have a go at this "business"?……… > you wanker! > Your type make me want to throw up. This is a specialist carer that you > attempt to denigrate with your Neanderthal attempts to mask your own > failings. > Crawl back under your rock, hibernate for another millennia, and you might > just awake > with enough "tools" to hold a half human conversation.

But don’t take dickinson comments in a bad way… (levity) Get ‘im Dicky! Regards, Dan from Noo Yawk

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"Bob" <sue…@ascps.com> wrote in message news:nXyt9.7860$46.3154@fe01… > "Cows69" <cow…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20021023100145.09336.00000499@mb-da.aol.com… > Yes. Your friend is in good shape. Few are assured during an investigation > that the kids will remain reguardless of the outcome. Your friend is lucky. > Chances are, her business will not be disturbed. A finding against her > business is a finding against the agency investigating the allegations.

Yo, Bob! The subject of the report is a PERSON. The allegation is made about HER! Not a business. You know this. > >I want to be so supportive > > of her and through this tough time to offer advice to her.  If anyone can > give > > me anything please do so.  But please no flames!  Thanks!  Ann > Don’t they have local support groups for people impacted by occupational > hazards ? Perhaps your friend could seek solice there. Or perhaps a change > in her business plan might work. She could do 8 regular clients, make as > much money, and eliminate the risk associated with ’special needs’

clients. This woman deserves all the credit in the world for taking care of these special needs children. I doubt she chose these kids because they brought in more money. It’s something called compassion. You can look the word up in a dictionary. Obviously you’re not familiar with it. > Or, if she is fed up and considering a career change,

Nobody said anything like that. > she might put her 9 hours training,

Why make it 9? Why not claim she has no training at all? You should be ashamed. > and extensive personal experience into rescuing dogs.

From heartless pricks like yourself? > I heard theraputic kennels have great potential for profit.

Correction. From heartess money-obsessed pricks like yourself? > Bob > www.suecps.com

Dan Sullivan

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