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Doug wrote: > Neal Feldman writes: > > You would think those with criminal justice and/or sociology degrees to > know > > better.  The former should know the constitution and the latter should > know > > what has happened to every draconian tyrany in the history of humanity. > Hi, Neal! > While workers enter the system with differing educational backgrounds, the > common variable seems to be the bureaucracy’s influence upon them during > their stay.  This may partially explain the extraordinary turnover rate.

Quite likely. > The agency does all of the training and the worker must worth within the > reality and structure created by an amoral bureaucracy.

And it is a Looking Glass World at that! > Ralph Hummel (1977) observes that the influence of the organization can be > so inclusive and overbearing that it leads to a "dwindling of consciousness > to the point where humans forget they have made their own world" (p. 42).

Yup… they actually come to believe that up is down and sideways is straight ahead and that they actually DO have legitimate right to trample the rights of others with impunity. I cannot wait until they are clearly proven wrong and the modern day guillotines start dropping on their necks. > The child protective agency sets the structure and cognitive premises that > underlies action and Perrow (1979) says this "controls" organization > subordinates by "restricting the range of stimuli that will be attended to . > . . and the range of alternatives that would be considered" (p.151). > "We may understand why it would be difficult for individuals to maintain > their values, beliefs or integrity once they become part of the > organizational information processing system," writes William Brueggemann > (1996:224).

Absolutely! > A young graduate hired as a caseworker in Colorado said it more succinctly. > "Everything I saw around me . . . everything everyone was doing or saying or > writing had nothing to do with what I was taught in school.  It was like I > was in a different world.  And it scared me."  She quit after two months. > She voted with her feet.

Absolutely.  As most do.  The only ones left are the ones so rabidly anti-family and who so relish the personal power trips that they are the literal embodiment of the adage that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. > > Throught history the fall of government was (aside from outright coups and > > conquerings, but even in some of such cases) preceded by the government > > becoming more draconian, tyrannical and oppressive, then a balkanization and > > fracturing of the political structure (sound familiar to what we have had > over > > the past 30 yrs or so in this nation culminating in the ’smooth transition’ > we > > can expect after this presidential election?). > Precisely.  It amazes me that so many citizens fail to see the writing on > the wall.

It is as clear as day to me… I keep shaking my head that so many are so clueless and ignorant and lacking the intellect and knowledge to see it clearly. Well, if and when it happens *I* will not be caught unprepared.. I will have seen it coming from a long way off. > > Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. > As a nation, we are replaying history and our children are suffering as a > result of it.  The orphan trains were just the beginning of the journey.

Yup.  Hopefully soon they will be ramrodded back under their rocks, permanently. > Doug > References: > Brueggemann, William G. (1996). The practice of macro social work.  New > York: Nelson-Hall, Inc. > Hummel, Ralph (1977). The bureaucratic experience. New York: St. Martin’s > Press. > Perrow, Charles. (1979).  Complex organizations: A critical essay. > Glenview, IL: Scott, Foresman.

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Hi, Neal, You probably already know this, but the academic requirements for an entry level SSW I child services worker for Missouri’s DFS is a four year degree in any behavioral science.  This is a relatively new requirement.  The previous requirement for DFS (CPS) investigators was a four year degree in any discipline.  Caseworkers employed under the old standard remained in their positions, of course, under "grandfather" clause. Behavioral sciences include psychology, sociology, criminal justice, anthropology, social work, human services, public administration and, I believe, k-12 education.  Missouri articulates a preference for social work graduates, but it is unclear whether that preference is followed in practice. Data is unavailable regarding disciplines selected state wide.  However, here’s a cross section of three counties in Missouri. 1.  Caseworkers, 5.  criminal justice 1, sociology, 1, education 1, social work (BSW) 1, psychology 1. 2. Caseworkers 4.  criminal justice 1, sociology 2, unknown 1. 3. Caseworkers 5. criminal justice 1, sociology 1, social work 2 (BSW). Social work, MSW, 1.

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Doug wrote: > Hi, Neal,

Hi Doug. > You probably already know this, but the academic requirements for an entry > level SSW I child services worker for Missouri’s DFS is a four year degree > in any behavioral science.

Yup.. ANY behavioral science… which is like hiring someone for an electrical engineering job making the requirement ANY engineering degree… > This is a relatively new requirement.  The > previous requirement for DFS (CPS) investigators was a four year degree in > any discipline.  Caseworkers employed under the old standard remained in > their positions, of course, under "grandfather" clause.

Yup… the caseworkers with degrees in music, basketweaving or primitive drums have to be protected, even though incompetent, right? If they no longer qualify, they should be OUT. > Behavioral sciences include psychology, sociology, criminal justice, > anthropology, social work, human services, public administration and, I > believe, k-12 education.  Missouri articulates a preference for social work > graduates, but it is unclear whether that preference is followed in > practice.

Yup… Fascism 101 grads are preferred by them… they already know such folks are going to be inherently biased against parents and prone to promotion of the Nanny State over individual rights. Saying that social workers have boundary issues is just about the understatement of the millenium. > Data is unavailable regarding disciplines selected state wide.  However, > here’s a cross section of three counties in Missouri. > 1.  Caseworkers, 5.  criminal justice 1, sociology, 1, education 1, social > work (BSW) 1, psychology 1. > 2. Caseworkers 4.  criminal justice 1, sociology 2, unknown 1. > 3. Caseworkers 5. criminal justice 1, sociology 1, social work 2 (BSW). > Social work, MSW, 1.

You would think those with criminal justice and/or sociology degrees to know better.  The former should know the constitution and the latter should know what has happened to every draconian tyrany in the history of humanity. Throught history the fall of government was (aside from outright coups and conquerings, but even in some of such cases) preceded by the government becoming more draconian, tyrannical and oppressive, then a balkanization and fracturing of the political structure (sound familiar to what we have had over the past 30 yrs or so in this nation culminating in the ’smooth transition’ we can expect after this presidential election?). Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. I, for one, learn the lessons of history… a pity so many are hell-bent on ignoring them. — ============================================================= Home Page: http://members.home.net/silverstorm/ We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!

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Neal Feldman writes: > You would think those with criminal justice and/or sociology degrees to know > better.  The former should know the constitution and the latter should know > what has happened to every draconian tyrany in the history of humanity.

Hi, Neal! While workers enter the system with differing educational backgrounds, the common variable seems to be the bureaucracy’s influence upon them during their stay.  This may partially explain the extraordinary turnover rate. The agency does all of the training and the worker must worth within the reality and structure created by an amoral bureaucracy. Ralph Hummel (1977) observes that the influence of the organization can be so inclusive and overbearing that it leads to a "dwindling of consciousness to the point where humans forget they have made their own world" (p. 42). The child protective agency sets the structure and cognitive premises that underlies action and Perrow (1979) says this "controls" organization subordinates by "restricting the range of stimuli that will be attended to . . . and the range of alternatives that would be considered" (p.151). "We may understand why it would be difficult for individuals to maintain their values, beliefs or integrity once they become part of the organizational information processing system," writes William Brueggemann (1996:224). A young graduate hired as a caseworker in Colorado said it more succinctly. "Everything I saw around me . . . everything everyone was doing or saying or writing had nothing to do with what I was taught in school.  It was like I was in a different world.  And it scared me."  She quit after two months. She voted with her feet. > Throught history the fall of government was (aside from outright coups and > conquerings, but even in some of such cases) preceded by the government > becoming more draconian, tyrannical and oppressive, then a balkanization and > fracturing of the political structure (sound familiar to what we have had over > the past 30 yrs or so in this nation culminating in the ’smooth transition’ we > can expect after this presidential election?).

Precisely.  It amazes me that so many citizens fail to see the writing on the wall. > Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat

them. As a nation, we are replaying history and our children are suffering as a result of it.  The orphan trains were just the beginning of the journey. Doug References: Brueggemann, William G. (1996). The practice of macro social work.  New York: Nelson-Hall, Inc. Hummel, Ralph (1977). The bureaucratic experience. New York: St. Martin’s Press. Perrow, Charles. (1979).  Complex organizations: A critical essay. Glenview, IL: Scott, Foresman.

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Ron <lucky5ed…@my-deja.com> wrote: > > Because then there would be some accountability. > > Some credentialing agency would oversee the soundness and ethics of > the > > decision matrix. > Not true at all. Licensing is not required because they don’t treat > anyone.  They are state employee’s just as are the people that take your > information for your drivers license.

Hi, Ron! Actually, licensing of 4-year graduates of social work (LSW) has nothing to do with qualifications for treatment.  Social workers with this degree are not allowed to do any clinical work (treatment), but are still licensed.  I think your confusion is caused by the entirely different license given graduate (MSW) social workers who have established themselves in clinical practice (usually two years experience) to obtain a LCSW license, which empowers them to practice clinical social work (psychotherapy). The National Association of Social Workers (NASW) has lobbied extensively for the lincensing of undergraduate social workers in all of the states for the last decade.  The effort has been met with considerable resistance from lawmakers, perhaps partially for the reasons Lucky mentions in the post to which you respond. Child protective investigators, which were being discussed in the post to which you responded, are not clinical workers.  However, depending upon the state in which they practice, they may be licensed (LSW). > But, when hired there are requirements for the position, just as there > are for computer programmers and data entry operators.  In Nebraska they > are required to have at least a 4 year degree in social work of some > kind before they can even be considered for the position, and the same > goes for Wyoming.

Social work of some kind?  What do you mean?  Social work is a specific functional major, requiring 62-65 semester hours in an accredited university.  What other "kinds" of 4-year social work degrees do you think there are? Do you mean a degree in some kind of behavioral science?   I can therefore suppose that while not all states > have this requirement that most do.

Some states require merely a high school diploma.  Others, a four-year degree in Art History, Music, English, etc. will meet the requirements just fine.  Although referred to generically as "social workers" by the child welfare bureaucracies they work for, most CPS caseworkers across the nation do not have a degree in social work. I hope this has been of some help. Doug

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Ron wrote: > In article <20001124112317.26333.00001…@ng-fu1.aol.com>, >   fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: > > Because then there would be some accountability. > > Some credentialing agency would oversee the soundness and ethics of > the > > decision matrix. > Not true at all.

Actually it is true, MoRon… it would certainly produce more accountability than the current situation… where there is absolutely no accountability at all. > Licensing is not required because they don’t treat > anyone.

Nah MoRon, , they just kidnap the children of innocent parents. > They are state employee’s just as are the people that take your > information for your drivers license.

However those that take my information for my driver’s license cannot and do not under abusive color of legal authority kidnap children from innocent parents, MoRon. > But, when hired there are requirements for the position, just as there > are for computer programmers and data entry operators.

Computer programmers and data entry operators are not known to, under abusive color of legal authority, kidnap the children of innocent parents, MoRon. > In Nebraska they are required to have at least a 4 year degree in social > work of some kind before they can even be considered for the position, and > the same > goes for Wyoming.

A degree in social(ist) work is not worth used toilet paper.  At least the toilet paper is useful for fertilizer. > I can therefore suppose that while not all states have this requirement > that most do.

It is a meaningless requirement, MoRon. > > OH hires folk without degrees to supervise families.  And I predict a > rapid > > growth in these quasi-legal, paraprofessional positions. > > Foster parents especially should know about the training of the folk who > visit > > their homes. > > Do you repect their training, credibility and common sense? > Good question, but why would we be required or even want to agree with > their qualifications or training?  They, the caseworkers and support > workers, are not what this is about.

They are part of everything that ‘this is about’ MoRon.  Your vapid and vaccuous ravings of delusional denial and dishonesty change nothing. > The only qualification that really > makes sense as a foster parent is "is this a child in need of a home". > Anything more than that is of limited use.

The vast majority are in need of no home but their REAL home… as the facts have conclusively and clearly proven, MoRon.  Your selfserving braying is quite obvious, MoRon. > As for their common sense, well common sense is not really all that > common anymore, so I don’t think it should be a requirement,

It is most certainly absent in your case, MoRon, as you have long ago clearly and conclusively proven in this and other newsgroups. > but it sure > would be nice.  Besides, how would you quantify common sense?

Generally anything 180 degrees out of phase with what you say is pretty much common sense in the real world, MoRon… again as you have already clearly and conclusively proven. > That’s sort of like asking "How high is up?".  Credibility is also a > judgement > call, as the credibility of the caseworker in my opinion may be very > high but the next foster parent may think they are a complete scumbag. > Subjective, very subjective.

Well, not subjective at all if there is actual accountability… something that clearly you object to. Why is it that you object so strenuously, desperately, dishonestly and delusionally to there being accountability?, MoRon? One really has to wonder why that is, MoRon. — ============================================================= Home Page: http://members.home.net/silverstorm/ We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!

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Because then there would be some accountability. Some credentialing agency would oversee the soundness and ethics of the decision matrix. OH hires folk without degrees to supervise families.  And I predict a rapid growth in these quasi-legal, paraprofessional positions. Foster parents especially should know about the training of the folk who visit their homes. Do you repect their training, credibility and common sense?

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In article <20001124112317.26333.00001…@ng-fu1.aol.com>,   fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: > Because then there would be some accountability. > Some credentialing agency would oversee the soundness and ethics of the > decision matrix.

Not true at all. Licensing is not required because they don’t treat anyone.  They are state employee’s just as are the people that take your information for your drivers license. But, when hired there are requirements for the position, just as there are for computer programmers and data entry operators.  In Nebraska they are required to have at least a 4 year degree in social work of some kind before they can even be considered for the position, and the same goes for Wyoming.  I can therefore suppose that while not all states have this requirement that most do. > OH hires folk without degrees to supervise families.  And I predict a rapid > growth in these quasi-legal, paraprofessional positions. > Foster parents especially should know about the training of the folk who visit > their homes. > Do you repect their training, credibility and common sense?

Good question, but why would we be required or even want to agree with their qualifications or training?  They, the caseworkers and support workers, are not what this is about.  The only qualification that really makes sense as a foster parent is "is this a child in need of a home". Anything more than that is of limited use. As for their common sense, well common sense is not really all that common anymore, so I don’t think it should be a requirement, but it sure would be nice.  Besides, how would you quantify common sense?  That’s sort of like asking "How high is up?".  Credibility is also a judgement call, as the credibility of the caseworker in my opinion may be very high but the next foster parent may think they are a complete scumbag. Subjective, very subjective. Ron — Not all is as it seems, In some cases life really does imitate art. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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