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Question:

Dan had a case where two major documents and several important personnel were on his side. Dan didn’t even stand a CHANCE of losing. I think Dan knows very well that CPS very often sees to it that no personnel take such exculpatory positions in most cases. As an example of CPS incompetence it’s great. Dan didn’t prove his skill at killing CPS BEAR by killing a toothless mouse.

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"Greg Hanson" <Gree…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:35120b16.0312181949.3cfa1ddf@posting.google.com… > > My accuser refused to cooperate with CPS so > > they closed the case as unfounded. > > Prior to that my CW was forced to resign from > > government service > What exactly "forced" the CW to resign > from gov’t service?

I got the ball rolling. > > so CPS founded me for SA and used as evidence > > the Family Court document that concluded my > > children were the "foundation of my life" > > and that I didn’t do anything inappropriate > > to my children. > In other words, they handed you a case > that even a one armed chimp could win. > And this makes you an expert?

Who said I’m an expert? That entire case lasted over two years. Two differents sets of multiple findings of maltreatment including SA. A Family Court action. A Criminal Court action. A night in jail. And everything was resolved in my favor. Does that make me an expert?

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"Greg Hanson" <Gree…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:35120b16.0312190226.58fed290@posting.google.com… > Dan had a case where two major documents > and several important personnel were on his side.

Which two major documents? Which several important personnel? > Dan didn’t even stand a CHANCE of losing.

CPS founded me for SA and two counts of neglect. And three other counts from the original report. I believe it took a year to have all those findings reversed. > I think Dan knows very well that CPS very > often sees to it that no personnel take > such exculpatory positions in most cases.

Who are you referring to? > As an example of CPS incompetence it’s great. > Dan didn’t prove his skill at killing CPS BEAR > by killing a toothless mouse.

Really, Greg? Why don’t you start a NG, alt.support.CPS is a toothless mouse, and let everyone know how well you’ve done against them? Be sure to post when it’s up and running.

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> My accuser refused to cooperate with CPS so > they closed the case as unfounded. > Prior to that my CW was forced to resign from > government service

What exactly "forced" the CW to resign from gov’t service? > so CPS founded me for SA and used as evidence > the Family Court document that concluded my > children were the "foundation of my life" > and that I didn’t do anything inappropriate > to my children.

In other words, they handed you a case that even a one armed chimp could win. And this makes you an expert?

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On 18 Dec 2003 19:49:59 -0800, Gree…@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> My accuser refused to cooperate with CPS so >> they closed the case as unfounded. >> Prior to that my CW was forced to resign from >> government service >What exactly "forced" the CW to resign >from gov’t service? >> so CPS founded me for SA and used as evidence >> the Family Court document that concluded my >> children were the "foundation of my life" >> and that I didn’t do anything inappropriate >> to my children. >In other words, they handed you a case >that even a one armed chimp could win. >And this makes you an expert?

I find it interesting that a loser, who claims he wants to get the little girl back to her mother, won’t answer questions or follow good advice offerred freely by a winner, but when confronted by said winner’s story seems to just be bubbling over with curiosity. Don’t let me bother you. I just have an inquiring mind. Kane

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"guyontheporch" <g…@home.zzz> wrote in message

news:42dd647aa77eeef9861b20437295f009@news.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dan Sullivan wrote: > > "guyontheporch" <g…@home.zzz> wrote in message > > news:6f09687b605b11ea7f6498e014984694@news.teranews.com… > >>Dan Sullivan wrote: > >>>"Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message > >>>news:bqrk8s$1us$6@pita.alt.net… > >>>>Very interesting Dan. How come they were so intent to go after you? > >>>When a report is accepted by the CPS hotline by law they have to > >>>investigate. > >>>I had no problem with that. > >>>But when it became apparent my caseworker didn’t know what he was > > talking > >>>about based on the info sent to me by CPS I did some research on CPS’ > > rules > >>>and regulations at my local library. > >>>It didn’t take long to realize that I knew more about their rules and > >>>regulations > >>>than the CW did. > >>>CPS "founded" the reports when they thought they’d get away with it… > > not > >>>by the evidence but because someone, a supervisor or administrator, told > > the > >>>CW to make that determination. > >>>>I hope that your relationship with your kid did not suffer. > >>>>Who submitted a report about you slapping your child on the no > >>>>visitation day? Your ex? > >>>All the reports were made by or instigated by a bi-polar relative who > >>>claimed that they could tell by someone’s face if they were a child > > abuser > >>>or not. > >>>And that incest happens not because the parent wants to have sex with > > the > >>>child, but because the child wants to have sex with the parent. > >>>My daughter was three when I was accused of molesting her. > >>Think she will ever understand why you touched her like that and then > > lied? > > As I’ve posted before, the SA expert that CPS used to investigate the > > accusation wrote in her report to the Court that my children were the > > "foundation of my life," that there was no evidence I had done anything > > inappropriate to my children and that CPS should be investigating my > > accuser. > So what happened? They investigated your accuser, and then gave her > custody. Hmmm.

My accuser refused to cooperate with CPS so they closed the case as unfounded. Prior to that my CW was forced to resign from government service so CPS founded me for SA and used as evidence the Family Court document that concluded my children were the "foundation of my life" and that I didn’t do anything inappropriate to my children. It took me a year to get it unfounded. Piece of cake. CPS did it just to break stones. > > Thanks for asking… I love posting how the Family Court petition got thrown > > out of court. > Why?

It makes me happy! > > Not many people have a Family Court document that says their children are > > the "foundation of their life?" > Not many people need one.

It didn’t cost me a dime… I didn’t ask for it… so I consider it a gift.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dan Sullivan wrote: > "guyontheporch" <g…@home.zzz> wrote in message > news:6f09687b605b11ea7f6498e014984694@news.teranews.com… >>Dan Sullivan wrote: >>>"Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message >>>news:bqrk8s$1us$6@pita.alt.net… >>>>Very interesting Dan. How come they were so intent to go after you? >>>When a report is accepted by the CPS hotline by law they have to >>>investigate. >>>I had no problem with that. >>>But when it became apparent my caseworker didn’t know what he was > talking >>>about based on the info sent to me by CPS I did some research on CPS’ > rules >>>and regulations at my local library. >>>It didn’t take long to realize that I knew more about their rules and >>>regulations >>>than the CW did. >>>CPS "founded" the reports when they thought they’d get away with it… > not >>>by the evidence but because someone, a supervisor or administrator, told > the >>>CW to make that determination. >>>>I hope that your relationship with your kid did not suffer. >>>>Who submitted a report about you slapping your child on the no >>>>visitation day? Your ex? >>>All the reports were made by or instigated by a bi-polar relative who >>>claimed that they could tell by someone’s face if they were a child > abuser >>>or not. >>>And that incest happens not because the parent wants to have sex with > the >>>child, but because the child wants to have sex with the parent. >>>My daughter was three when I was accused of molesting her. >>Think she will ever understand why you touched her like that and then > lied? > As I’ve posted before, the SA expert that CPS used to investigate the > accusation wrote in her report to the Court that my children were the > "foundation of my life," that there was no evidence I had done anything > inappropriate to my children and that CPS should be investigating my > accuser.

So what happened? They investigated your accuser, and then gave her custody. Hmmm. > Thanks for asking… I love posting how the Family Court petition got thrown > out of court.

Why? Are you proud you got away with molesting your daughter? Do the talk shows bub, then everyone will believe you’re really innocent. [worked for oj]. > Not many people have a Family Court document that says their children are > the "foundation of their life?"

Not many people need one. guy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How ’bout you Dennis?

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"guyontheporch" <g…@home.zzz> wrote in message

news:6f09687b605b11ea7f6498e014984694@news.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dan Sullivan wrote: > > "Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message > > news:bqrk8s$1us$6@pita.alt.net… > >>Very interesting Dan. How come they were so intent to go after you? > > When a report is accepted by the CPS hotline by law they have to > > investigate. > > I had no problem with that. > > But when it became apparent my caseworker didn’t know what he was talking > > about based on the info sent to me by CPS I did some research on CPS’ rules > > and regulations at my local library. > > It didn’t take long to realize that I knew more about their rules and > > regulations > > than the CW did. > > CPS "founded" the reports when they thought they’d get away with it… not > > by the evidence but because someone, a supervisor or administrator, told the > > CW to make that determination. > >>I hope that your relationship with your kid did not suffer. > >>Who submitted a report about you slapping your child on the no > >>visitation day? Your ex? > > All the reports were made by or instigated by a bi-polar relative who > > claimed that they could tell by someone’s face if they were a child abuser > > or not. > > And that incest happens not because the parent wants to have sex with the > > child, but because the child wants to have sex with the parent. > > My daughter was three when I was accused of molesting her. > Think she will ever understand why you touched her like that and then

lied? As I’ve posted before, the SA expert that CPS used to investigate the accusation wrote in her report to the Court that my children were the "foundation of my life," that there was no evidence I had done anything inappropriate to my children and that CPS should be investigating my accuser. Thanks for asking… I love posting how the Family Court petition got thrown out of court. Not many people have a Family Court document that says their children are the "foundation of their life?" How ’bout you Dennis?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dan Sullivan wrote: > "Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message > news:bqrk8s$1us$6@pita.alt.net… >>Very interesting Dan. How come they were so intent to go after you? > When a report is accepted by the CPS hotline by law they have to > investigate. > I had no problem with that. > But when it became apparent my caseworker didn’t know what he was talking > about based on the info sent to me by CPS I did some research on CPS’ rules > and regulations at my local library. > It didn’t take long to realize that I knew more about their rules and > regulations > than the CW did. > CPS "founded" the reports when they thought they’d get away with it… not > by the evidence but because someone, a supervisor or administrator, told the > CW to make that determination. >>I hope that your relationship with your kid did not suffer. >>Who submitted a report about you slapping your child on the no >>visitation day? Your ex? > All the reports were made by or instigated by a bi-polar relative who > claimed that they could tell by someone’s face if they were a child abuser > or not. > And that incest happens not because the parent wants to have sex with the > child, but because the child wants to have sex with the parent. > My daughter was three when I was accused of molesting her.

Think she will ever understand why you touched her like that and then lied? guy

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"Greg Hanson" <Gree…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:35120b16.0312122232.790d4a8e@posting.google.com… > "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message

<news:NkmCb.85360$655.12615281@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>… > > "Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message > > news:bqrk8s$1us$6@pita.alt.net… > > > Very interesting Dan. How come they were so intent to go after you? > > When a report is accepted by the CPS hotline by law they have to > > investigate. > Incorrect.  A report can be screened out if the reporter > has a history of harassing reports.

I  said "when a report is accepted" that means it was screened in. > This can even be done > if the calling center is ignorant of the case, which they > often seem to be, but which violates another requirement. > A report can be screened out or severely devalued > for motivated reporters, axe to grind etc.

A CPS report can be "severely devalued???" Citations please. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is not a robotic requirement to make a big deal > about every bogus report, in fact if they operate that > way they are in noncompliance and violating family > civil rights. > However, more reports is good for agency budgetary reasons. > > I had no problem with that. > > But when it became apparent my caseworker didn’t > > know what he was talking about based on the > > info sent to me by CPS I did some research on > > CPS’ rules and regulations at my local library. > > It didn’t take long to realize that I knew > > more about their rules and regulations > > than the CW did. > This is true.  It doesn’t take much to > be more knowledgeable than a caseworker.

You aren’t referring to yourself, Greg, are you? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > CPS "founded" the reports when they thought > > they’d get away with it… not by the > > evidence but because someone, a supervisor > > or administrator, told the CW to make > > that determination. > That’s a pattern repeated over and over > across the entire USA, probably internationally. > As I said, it’s good for their budget. > > > I hope that your relationship with > > > your kid did not suffer. > > > Who submitted a report about you > > > slapping your child on the no > > > visitation day? Your ex? > > All the reports were made by or instigated > > by a bi-polar relative who claimed that > > they could tell by someone’s face if they > > were a child abuser or not. > You have OTHER bipolar relatives besides your ex? > > And that incest happens not because the > > parent wants to have sex with the child, > > but because the child wants to have sex > > with the parent. > Interesting nutty accusation, but you said > earlier that CPS had to investigate every > accusation?

Did I say "every accusation?" > I draw your attention to this. > This persons report should have been SCREENED OUT.

This accusation was made during the investigation of an earlier report. I forced the CW to resign from government service. I got my case record on a Friday and Monday the CW was saying good-bye to all her "clients." I found out because one of her other "clients" was a family I was helping and they called to tell me the news. > Instead caseworkers took it and RAN with it. > This idiot’s report should never have been > screened IN at the calling center.

Subsequent report in an ongoing investigation.

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"Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message <news:NkmCb.85360$655.12615281@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>… > "Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message > news:bqrk8s$1us$6@pita.alt.net… > > Very interesting Dan. How come they were so intent to go after you? > When a report is accepted by the CPS hotline by law they have to > investigate.

Incorrect.  A report can be screened out if the reporter has a history of harassing reports.  This can even be done if the calling center is ignorant of the case, which they often seem to be, but which violates another requirement. A report can be screened out or severely devalued for motivated reporters, axe to grind etc. There is not a robotic requirement to make a big deal about every bogus report, in fact if they operate that way they are in noncompliance and violating family civil rights. However, more reports is good for agency budgetary reasons. > I had no problem with that. > But when it became apparent my caseworker didn’t > know what he was talking about based on the > info sent to me by CPS I did some research on > CPS’ rules and regulations at my local library. > It didn’t take long to realize that I knew > more about their rules and regulations > than the CW did.

This is true.  It doesn’t take much to be more knowledgeable than a caseworker. > CPS "founded" the reports when they thought > they’d get away with it… not by the > evidence but because someone, a supervisor > or administrator, told the CW to make > that determination.

That’s a pattern repeated over and over across the entire USA, probably internationally. As I said, it’s good for their budget. > > I hope that your relationship with > > your kid did not suffer. > > Who submitted a report about you > > slapping your child on the no > > visitation day? Your ex? > All the reports were made by or instigated > by a bi-polar relative who claimed that > they could tell by someone’s face if they > were a child abuser or not.

You have OTHER bipolar relatives besides your ex? > And that incest happens not because the > parent wants to have sex with the child, > but because the child wants to have sex > with the parent.

Interesting nutty accusation, but you said earlier that CPS had to investigate every accusation?   I draw your attention to this. This persons report should have been SCREENED OUT. Instead caseworkers took it and RAN with it. This idiot’s report should never have been screened IN at the calling center. Complete waste of taxpayers money. > My daughter was three when I was accused > of molesting her.

How old was she when the last of the 15 investigations began? How old was she when the last "founded" came in? Have you ever checked to find out how many reports the nut cases called in that were NOT investigated? As with the Wallis case, calls from nut cases should have been screened out. It sounds like some peon at the CPS calling center should have noticed some of the insanity on the part of the reporter calling in. And certainly, subsequent calls from the same person or persons should have resulted in the words REPORTER IS A NUTCASE coming up on the database screen. Who was the other bipolar person calling in bogus reports?

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"Ignoramus24587" <ignoramus24…@NOSPAM.24587.invalid> wrote in message

news:bqnqd1$got$0@pita.alt.net… > I thought that alt.support.child-protective-services was a newsgroup > for innocent victims of CPS. > It turns out, it seems, that there are some violent child beaters > here! > Is it really true?

Are there any "innocent victims of CPS" here?  Not that I have seen yet. "violent child beaters" abound in this group, but they rarely admit that what they did was wrong. Ron

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"Ron" <apositivepl…@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:_85Ab.4731$5g.2938@okepread04… > "Ignoramus24587" <ignoramus24…@NOSPAM.24587.invalid> wrote in message > news:bqnqd1$got$0@pita.alt.net… > > I thought that alt.support.child-protective-services was a newsgroup > > for innocent victims of CPS. > > It turns out, it seems, that there are some violent child beaters > > here! > > Is it really true? > Are there any "innocent victims of CPS" here?  Not that I have seen yet.

Chuck (Loyal Fan) David and Amy Carl. Jessica Cathy Me

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"Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message

news:bqrk8s$1us$6@pita.alt.net… > Very interesting Dan. How come they were so intent to go after you?

When a report is accepted by the CPS hotline by law they have to investigate. I had no problem with that. But when it became apparent my caseworker didn’t know what he was talking about based on the info sent to me by CPS I did some research on CPS’ rules and regulations at my local library. It didn’t take long to realize that I knew more about their rules and regulations than the CW did. CPS "founded" the reports when they thought they’d get away with it… not by the evidence but because someone, a supervisor or administrator, told the CW to make that determination. > I hope that your relationship with your kid did not suffer. > Who submitted a report about you slapping your child on the no > visitation day? Your ex?

All the reports were made by or instigated by a bi-polar relative who claimed that they could tell by someone’s face if they were a child abuser or not. And that incest happens not because the parent wants to have sex with the child, but because the child wants to have sex with the parent. My daughter was three when I was accused of molesting her.

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"Greg Hanson" <Gree…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:35120b16.0312062003.247fced7@posting.google.com… > > I’ve been investigated by CPS 15+ times. > Aren’t you the one who said where there’s smoke there’s fire?

Did I? > > "Founded" for physical, emotional, sexual, neglect, > > excessive corporal punishment, etc… etc… > > etc… five (all multiple findings) out of the 15 > > times. > How can you prove this?

You can choose not to believe me. > > And I’ve helped over a dozen children be reunited > > with their parents from CPS’ foster care system. > And how can you prove that?

Read the posts by Ricky Thompson. Chuck (Loyal Fan) Jennifer Etc… > Without sock puppets?

I never had ONE! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I love writing it. > That much we know for sure.

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Gree…@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson) wrote in message <news:35120b16.0312060058.6eba53c0@posting.google.com>… > Ron said "violent child beaters" abound in this newsgroup? > Name one.

Whatcha trollin’ for goggie, suit bait? > Seriously, Ron.

You? Serious? R R R R, the only thing you get serious about is how you can portray yourself as a victim and suck visitors into your misery-company slit-trench. > Are you adopting the anti-spanking zealots rhetoric > or are there some criminal child beaters in here?

I am in disagreement with Ron on the issue of spanking. Nevertheless neither of us come from being an abusive, worthless, couch creasing, little girl showering, mother fucking over asshole, lying, shit for brains position. Hence, we respect each other’s opinions, or at least assume the other has given more than passing thought to the issue without playing victim to aggrandize ourselves. You’ve tried to play on the big boys MonkeyBars Greegie, and you aren’t going to be able to keep up. Ron is not going to be taken in by ass kissin. Or any other little boy trickery. He’s a foster parent. He’s already seen the sickest of the sick and dealt with them. If you want his HELP ask. He’s bound to be good at virtual whackin’ upside the haid to wake little whiny boys up. What we do is big boys stuff, dime and half. What we don’t, and you do, is whining wimpering narcissistic crap. Never fear, Ron can slug it out with ASZs just fine without you hanging around his heels, you suckin’ up wannabee. > What you describe would be a criminal offense > and not just handled by CPS intervention.

Yep. I do think he was makin’ just that point. See, like I said, your legs are too short. Can’t keep up with the big boys. > None of the cases Dan claims for his fame were > "violent child beaters" were they, Dan?

Always fishin’ ain’tcha. Always slimin’ aroun’ lookin’ for something to bail out the bucket o’ shit you use for a hat. You haven’t asked a question meant to be used for helping anyone but your sick sorry gigolo butt since the first post you and Dan exchanged. I’ll give you one. I’ll give you somethin’ you can get on Dan…here yah go. If he believed you for a moment, he as a damn fool. My bet is it lasted, if he was fooled at all, for all of 12 seconds. Do you have any idea how outclassed you are and how indulgent he is to even bother wishing you’d go hang yourself? The man produces. The whining pissant, pisses. Kane

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On 6 Dec 2003 20:03:06 -0800, Gree…@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson) wrote: >> I’ve been investigated by CPS 15+ times. >Aren’t you the one who said where there’s smoke there’s fire?

I bet he did! I bet he did! I bet he did! I bet he did! Ho boy we got’em now Greegor. It’s goina’ be hell to pay for Old Dan Sullivan now…you betch’em. Ah, he did say though that there was fire and very likely nothing more than a floating cloud going by in the shape of false allegations…just my guess. Have you proven their was no fire in your case? Were those things you confessed to here false allegations? Do you usually just make things up to punish yourself like a vict……oppps…scuse me. >> "Founded" for physical, emotional, sexual, neglect, >> excessive corporal punishment, etc… etc… >> etc… five (all multiple findings) out of the 15 >> times. >How can you prove this?

To what end would he want to do that? I mean go to all that trouble? For a, well, a self confessed child abuser and all? >> And I’ve helped over a dozen children be reunited >> with their parents from CPS’ foster care system. >And how can you prove that? >Without sock puppets?

Dan has Sock puppets. What do they post as? Various permutations that spell out D  E  N   N   I   Sssssssss? >> I love writing it.

He does that. I love to see him do it and especially, <blush> as he gives me more credit than I’m due. But it is gratifying to think of all those folks with their chidlren back and free of charges and foundings. And best of all, Greegor, free of the possibility they could fall for your crap and lose their children for them like you lost your "SO"s >That much we know for sure.

It all goes to credibility, Greegor. Of which got you ain’t. Kane

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> I’ve been investigated by CPS 15+ times.

Aren’t you the one who said where there’s smoke there’s fire? > "Founded" for physical, emotional, sexual, neglect, > excessive corporal punishment, etc… etc… > etc… five (all multiple findings) out of the 15 > times.

How can you prove this? > And I’ve helped over a dozen children be reunited > with their parents from CPS’ foster care system.

And how can you prove that? Without sock puppets? > I love writing it.

That much we know for sure.

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"Greg Hanson" <Gree…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:35120b16.0312060058.6eba53c0@posting.google.com… > Ron said "violent child beaters" abound in this newsgroup? > Name one. > Seriously, Ron. > Are you adopting the anti-spanking zealots rhetoric > or are there some criminal child beaters in here? > What you describe would be a criminal offense > and not just handled by CPS intervention. > None of the cases Dan claims for his fame were > "violent child beaters" were they, Dan?

Three were accused of breaking their children’s bones.

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Ron said "violent child beaters" abound in this newsgroup? Name one. Seriously, Ron. Are you adopting the anti-spanking zealots rhetoric or are there some criminal child beaters in here? What you describe would be a criminal offense and not just handled by CPS intervention. None of the cases Dan claims for his fame were "violent child beaters" were they, Dan?

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"Ignoramus6098" <ignoramus6…@NOSPAM.6098.invalid> wrote in message

news:bqqobp$gav$0@pita.alt.net… > Did you beat your children?

No. > Just curious. I know nothing about > you. WHat happened?

Long story… starts in 1987. I’ve been investigated by CPS 15+ times. "Founded" for physical, emotional, sexual, neglect, excessive corporal punishment, etc… etc… etc… five (all multiple findings) out of the 15 times. CPS is supposed to make a determination (finding) of maltreatment ONLY if there is "some credible evidence" to support the determination. On each of the five findings of maltreatment that CPS made against me I challenged them to produce the "credible evidence" that they based their decision on and NOT ONCE did they ever produce anything credible. THEY had to reverse ALL of their own decisions. Reversing ONE decision is almost impossible (the process is purposely convoluted)… TWO is a miracle… THREE… you get the pict. I used an attny for the first challenge… after I saw how incompetent the people at CPS were I did the rest myself. Here’s a few examples of CPS’ incompetence. I was "founded" for slapping my son on a weekend I was denied visitation and I had a police report to prove it. I was taken to Fam Ct on an allegation that I had molested my daughter. The court ordered expert used by CPS wrote in her decision that there was no inappropriate behavior between me and my children. The Judge threw the charges out of court. CPS STILL "founded" the allegation against me and used as the "credible evidence" the sexual abuse experts report that determined I didn’t molest anyone. All the others were just as stupid. I’ve helped dozens of people reverse their CPS founded decisions. And I’ve helped over a dozen children be reunited with their parents from CPS’ foster care system. Thanks for asking… I love writing it. Best, Dan Sullivan

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<lynx…@nospam.ham> wrote in message

news:20031205183020.456$sT@newsreader.com… >  <snipping the bitch dog’s HOT AIR>

Yer wife wrote something? I didn’t notice.

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"Ron" <apositivepl…@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:716Ab.4975$5g.2548@okepread04… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:Vk5Ab.12235$FG2.2211212@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… > > "Ron" <apositivepl…@netscape.net> wrote in message > > news:_85Ab.4731$5g.2938@okepread04… > > > "Ignoramus24587" <ignoramus24…@NOSPAM.24587.invalid> wrote in message > > > news:bqnqd1$got$0@pita.alt.net… > > > > I thought that alt.support.child-protective-services was a newsgroup > > > > for innocent victims of CPS. > > > > It turns out, it seems, that there are some violent child beaters > > > > here! > > > > Is it really true? > > > Are there any "innocent victims of CPS" here?  Not that I have seen yet. > > Chuck (Loyal Fan)

Determination made by Judge after trial. Daughter was being treated for brittle bone disease (based on expert medical evidence provided by the family) WHILE the county attny had the parents on trial claiming that the child did NOT have a disease and that the infant’s broken leg was caused non-accidentally by her parents. Judge ordered  that CPS have no further contact with the family. > > David and Amy Carl.

Determination made by Judge after trial. Children programmed by CPS and AZ Sheriff’s Dept. I believe the Judge ordered that CPS have no further contact with the family. > > Jessica

CPS unfounded the allegations and returned both children based on medical evidence provided by the mother. > > Cathy

Determination made by Judge after trial. Judge ordered that CPS have no further contact with the family. > > Me > Are any of them truly innocent?

Of what? Maltreating their children? All of them > You are the only one that you can be sure of, and then its a maybe.

I have reams of CPS paperwork, 15+ case files and Fam Ct documents, and not once did CPS or the court find that I had ever abused or maltreated anyone. The first Fam Ct allegation that I molested my daughter was thrown out by the Judge after CPS’ own expert sexual abuse evaluator wrote in her report that I had done nothing inappropriate to my daughter and that my children were the "foundation of my life." You got one of them, Ron? The second Fam CT allegation of abuse was withdrawn. > Even you cannot be sure that you have never > stepped over the line, and you cant be even that close with the others.

I can’t be sure if I ever stepped "over the line???" I know the NY State CPS Program Manual as good or better than anyone I’ve met or had contact with at CPS. Dan

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"Dan Sullivan" <dsull…@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:Vk5Ab.12235$FG2.2211212@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Ron" <apositivepl…@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:_85Ab.4731$5g.2938@okepread04… > > "Ignoramus24587" <ignoramus24…@NOSPAM.24587.invalid> wrote in message > > news:bqnqd1$got$0@pita.alt.net… > > > I thought that alt.support.child-protective-services was a newsgroup > > > for innocent victims of CPS. > > > It turns out, it seems, that there are some violent child beaters > > > here! > > > Is it really true? > > Are there any "innocent victims of CPS" here?  Not that I have seen yet. > Chuck (Loyal Fan) > David and Amy Carl. > Jessica > Cathy > Me

Are any of them truly innocent?  You are the only one that you can be sure of, and then its a maybe.  Even you cannot be sure that you have never stepped over the line, and you cant be even that close with the others. Ron

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On 04 Dec 2003 14:03:10 GMT, fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: What The Plant is going to treat us to here folks, with her questions, is the same years long attempt by diversion, to call off the people that correctly identify child abusers, liars, and defenders of abusers. And from the mix in Its [Subject] a plaintive wail claiming these low life scum are being emotionally abused when they are called out publically. Remember, this is the poster that had said it is a parent’s right for church members to hang children up in church and the congregation beat them with objects…as long as the parent’s allow it. And that any organization, like CPS, interferring is abrogating the Constitutional Rights of the parents…..but of course, when CPS takes those same children away, THEIR civil rights are being violated by the state for the child to have the loving company of those same parents responsible for the hanging and beating. Consider then what’s being posted here. >Most labeling of others?

The Plant, by far. Year after year of lies and name calling, under the guise of being a "reformer," championing OTHER name callers, suckin’ up to child abusers, and supporting and encouraging those who support the murdering of others, including parents who might get in the way while of the murderer, and worse, publically in these ngs celebrating the pain, humiliation, and injury of children. >Most denigrating language?  The "pro family rights" or the "state is right" >group?

No comparison. The pro "family" "rights" "group," especially if you look into the organizations they pimp for on these news groups, contain some of the saddest excuses for human beings one could imagine. Talk about name callers. >Consider….readers……

Yep, consider the last line in this post, and think about what this poster calls "reasonableness" on the part of abusive parents. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->http://www.familyrightsassociation.com Based in Oregon–cutting CPS, SCF, >SoSCF, and child protective down to reasonableness.

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