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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.puaf.umd.edu/courses/puaf650/Transracial%20Adoption-Townse… Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy 1995 RECLAIMING SELF-DETERMINATION: A CALL FOR INTRARACIAL ADOPTION Jacinda T. Townsend * [* J.D. 1995, Duke University School of Law.] The wholesale marketing of Black children to suit the economic interests of others was one of the cruelest aspects of slavery. Sons and daughters who were traded away from their parents would later struggle in vain to remember their families, their customs, and their countries of origin. Even the extended families which evolved in the transient slave communities were continually fragmented as children and their caretakers were merchanted to different plantations according to the whims of White slavemasters.[1] Although due to quite different circumstances, today the Black community continues to lose its children. At present, government sponsored entities,[2] overlooking the potentially harmful consequences of transracial adoption,[3] remove Black children from their communities through transracial adoption with Whites who are unable to secure children of their own race.[4] So what would you and Jacinda suggest as an alternative to trans-racial adoption for these children, given the difficulty in finding suitable adoptive parents within their own ethnic communities? Robin

Ancestral ressurection? Camps? Government Schools? Guardians, of course! J. Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.puaf.umd.edu/courses/puaf650/Transracial%20Adoption-Townse… Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy 1995 RECLAIMING SELF-DETERMINATION: A CALL FOR INTRARACIAL ADOPTION Jacinda T. Townsend * [* J.D. 1995, Duke University School of Law.] The wholesale marketing of Black children to suit the economic interests of others was one of the cruelest aspects of slavery. Sons and daughters who were traded away from their parents would later struggle in vain to remember their families, their customs, and their countries of origin. Even the extended families which evolved in the transient slave communities were continually fragmented as children and their caretakers were merchanted to different plantations according to the whims of White slavemasters.[1] Although due to quite different circumstances, today the Black community continues to lose its children. At present, government sponsored entities,[2] overlooking the potentially harmful consequences of transracial adoption,[3] remove Black children from their communities through transracial adoption with Whites who are unable to secure children of their own race.[4]

Oh, a lawyer says so, it must be true!  Where do I sign the petition?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.puaf.umd.edu/courses/puaf650/Transracial%20Adoption-Townse… Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy 1995 RECLAIMING SELF-DETERMINATION: A CALL FOR INTRARACIAL ADOPTION Jacinda T. Townsend * [* J.D. 1995, Duke University School of Law.] The wholesale marketing of Black children to suit the economic interests of others was one of the cruelest aspects of slavery. Sons and daughters who were traded away from their parents would later struggle in vain to remember their families, their customs, and their countries of origin. Even the extended families which evolved in the transient slave communities were continually fragmented as children and their caretakers were merchanted to different plantations according to the whims of White slavemasters.[1] Although due to quite different circumstances, today the Black community continues to lose its children. At present, government sponsored entities,[2] overlooking the potentially harmful consequences of transracial adoption,[3] remove Black children from their communities through transracial adoption with Whites who are unable to secure children of their own race.[4] So what would you and Jacinda suggest as an alternative to trans-racial adoption for these children, given the difficulty in finding suitable adoptive parents within their own ethnic communities? Robin Ancestral ressurection? Camps? Government Schools? Guardians, of course! J.

What guardians?  The ‘Poor law guardians’, perhaps?  Under Section 7 of the Bastardy Laws Amendment Act 1872 which allowed payments already ordered on application of a mother to be diverted to the Parish or Union if the child became chargeable, and section 5 of the Bastardy Laws Amendment Act 1873 which allowed the Poor law guardians  to apply to   justices for an order in their favour in respect of a child who had become chargeable.  That is, stick them in the Workhouse. Given Di’s usual view that any law that applies in any one place must also apply in every other place and at other times, it should an acceptable solution for all children regardless of the shade of their skin or their cultural heritage. That is after all one of the things that the Adoption of Children 1926 was is intended alleviate in England & Wales. If adoption is so terrible surely  we must go back to what we had before. Robin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.puaf.umd.edu/courses/puaf650/Transracial%20Adoption-Townse… Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy 1995 RECLAIMING SELF-DETERMINATION: A CALL FOR INTRARACIAL ADOPTION Jacinda T. Townsend * [* J.D. 1995, Duke University School of Law.] The wholesale marketing of Black children to suit the economic interests of others was one of the cruelest aspects of slavery. Sons and daughters who were traded away from their parents would later struggle in vain to remember their families, their customs, and their countries of origin. Even the extended families which evolved in the transient slave communities were continually fragmented as children and their caretakers were merchanted to different plantations according to the whims of White slavemasters.[1] Although due to quite different circumstances, today the Black community continues to lose its children. At present, government sponsored entities,[2] overlooking the potentially harmful consequences of transracial adoption,[3] remove Black children from their communities through transracial adoption with Whites who are unable to secure children of their own race.[4] Oh, a lawyer says so, it must be true!  Where do I sign the petition?

I represent that remark Doug Thomas

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So, let’s say this black child is being raised by her BIO white mom – is that akin to this?  Would they be better in a home? Or black aparents, like Samuel L. Jackson, who has adopted WHITE children….what’s that then? Chickey

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So, let’s say this black child is being raised by her BIO white mom – is that akin to this?  Would they be better in a home? Or black aparents, like Samuel L. Jackson, who has adopted WHITE children….what’s that then? Chickey

Well mostly, as far as I can see it’s nothing to do with what the original article was all about. What point are you trying to make? What does any of the above have to do with the discussion of a) whether trans-racial adoption is tantamount to slavery and b) what should be done with those children whose own kin group and cultural communities will not or can not look after them, if we do away with trans-racial adoption? Robin

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http://www.puaf.umd.edu/courses/puaf650/Transracial%20Adoption-Townse… Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy 1995 RECLAIMING SELF-DETERMINATION: A CALL FOR INTRARACIAL ADOPTION Jacinda T. Townsend * [* J.D. 1995, Duke University School of Law.]  The wholesale marketing of Black children to suit the economic interests of others was one of the cruelest aspects of slavery. Sons and daughters who were traded away from their parents would later struggle in vain to remember their families, their customs, and their countries of origin. Even the extended families which evolved in the transient slave communities were continually fragmented as children and their caretakers were merchanted to different plantations according to the whims of White slavemasters.[1] Although due to quite different circumstances, today the Black community continues to lose its children. At present, government sponsored entities,[2] overlooking the potentially harmful consequences of transracial adoption,[3] remove Black children from their communities through transracial adoption with Whites who are unable to secure children of their own race.[4]

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, let’s say this black child is being raised by her BIO white mom – is that akin to this?  Would they be better in a home? Or black aparents, like Samuel L. Jackson, who has adopted WHITE children….what’s that then? Chickey Well mostly, as far as I can see it’s nothing to do with what the original article was all about. What point are you trying to make? What does any of the above have to do with the discussion of a) whether trans-racial adoption is tantamount to slavery and b) what should be done with those children whose own kin group and cultural communities will not or can not look after them, if we do away with trans-racial adoption? Robin

Robin the proof of 1.  the failure of trans-racial adoptions which creates screwed up children regardless of social status and money 2. the failure of white caucasians raising their own natural children regardless of social status and money has been conclusively proven by a well known social experiment in transracial adoption and white caucasian children raising documented on Fox TV on the high brow intellectual  and scientifically validated television show – The Simple Life the proof of these failures 1. Nicole Richie adopted child of Lionel Richie 2. Paris Hilton natural child of two white people named Hilton Watching  the transracially adopted Nicole and naturally raised Paris  in this social experiment conducted by the finest scientific minds in Fox Network land makes me despair for everyone in these two groups. Thank god I am the exiled progeny of the Royal Family raised by wolves on the northern tundra, and no one wants to write a paper on such a small social group. Doug Thomas

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, let’s say this black child is being raised by her BIO white mom – is that akin to this?  Would they be better in a home? Or black aparents, like Samuel L. Jackson, who has adopted WHITE children….what’s that then? Chickey Well mostly, as far as I can see it’s nothing to do with what the original article was all about. What point are you trying to make? What does any of the above have to do with the discussion of a) whether trans-racial adoption is tantamount to slavery and b) what should be done with those children whose own kin group and cultural communities will not or can not look after them, if we do away with trans-racial adoption? Robin Robin the proof of 1.  the failure of trans-racial adoptions which creates screwed up children regardless of social status and money 2. the failure of white caucasians raising their own natural children regardless of social status and money has been conclusively proven by a well known social experiment in transracial adoption and white caucasian children raising documented on Fox TV on the high brow intellectual  and scientifically validated television show – The Simple Life the proof of these failures 1. Nicole Richie adopted child of Lionel Richie 2. Paris Hilton natural child of two white people named Hilton Watching  the transracially adopted Nicole and naturally raised Paris  in this social experiment conducted by the finest scientific minds in Fox Network land makes me despair for everyone in these two groups. Thank god I am the exiled progeny of the Royal Family raised by wolves on the northern tundra, and no one wants to write a paper on such a small social group. Doug Thomas

Umm….could you be my long lost twin Doug? Robin

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Well mostly, as far as I can see it’s nothing to do with what the original article was all about.

read on. What point are you trying to make?

My point is, race and culture are not exclusive rights of black americans.  If a white child of, say, Swedish decent was adopted by a black family, wouldn’t the debate extend to that child as well? What does any of the above have to do with the discussion of a) whether trans-racial adoption is tantamount to slavery

No more than it is white slavery for a white child to be adopted outside their race. and b) what should be done with those children whose own kin group and cultural communities will not or can not look after them, if we do away with trans-racial adoption?

All I’m saying is, why is this arguement restricted to black and bi-racial children?  And, if a bi-racial child is adopted by white parents, isn’t that WITHIN their cultural community, or are we invoking the "one drop" theory, that one relative, no matter how many generations back, is black, so the child is black? If we’re going to have this debate, does it matter WHAT race the child and the adoptive parents are, as long as they are different from each other?   That’s my point. Chickeyd

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 I’m not saying I agree with his premise, but what he does say is specific to the adoption of African-American children by white parents, not to adoption per se. Ron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.puaf.umd.edu/courses/puaf650/Transracial%20Adoption-Townse… Duke Journal of Gender Law & Policy 1995 RECLAIMING SELF-DETERMINATION: A CALL FOR INTRARACIAL ADOPTION Jacinda T. Townsend * [* J.D. 1995, Duke University School of Law.] The wholesale marketing of Black children to suit the economic interests of others was one of the cruelest aspects of slavery. Sons and daughters who were traded away from their parents would later struggle in vain to remember their families, their customs, and their countries of origin. Even the extended families which evolved in the transient slave communities were continually fragmented as children and their caretakers were merchanted to different plantations according to the whims of White slavemasters.[1] Although due to quite different circumstances, today the Black community continues to lose its children. At present, government sponsored entities,[2] overlooking the potentially harmful consequences of transracial adoption,[3] remove Black children from their communities through transracial adoption with Whites who are unable to secure children of their own race.[4]

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Although due to quite different circumstances, today the Black community continues to lose its children. At present, government sponsored entities,[2] overlooking the potentially harmful consequences of transracial adoption,[3] remove Black children from their communities through transracial adoption

Far better to let black children whose parents cannot or will not raise them live in groups homes or never ending foster care than to suffer the trauma of white adoptive parents, eh? This is merely another idiot who assumes qualified and willing black adoptive parents are waiting in the wings each time a black child needs an adoptive home. P2P

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So what would you and Jacinda suggest as an alternative to trans-racial adoption for these children, given the difficulty in finding suitable adoptive parents within their own ethnic communities? Robin

A black family or no family at all! P2P

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well mostly, as far as I can see it’s nothing to do with what the original article was all about. read on. What point are you trying to make? My point is, race and culture are not exclusive rights of black americans.  If a white child of, say, Swedish decent was adopted by a black family, wouldn’t the debate extend to that child as well? What does any of the above have to do with the discussion of a) whether trans-racial adoption is tantamount to slavery No more than it is white slavery for a white child to be adopted outside their race. and b) what should be done with those children whose own kin group and cultural communities will not or can not look after them, if we do away with trans-racial adoption? All I’m saying is, why is this arguement restricted to black and bi-racial children?  And, if a bi-racial child is adopted by white parents, isn’t that WITHIN their cultural community, or are we invoking the "one drop" theory, that one relative, no matter how many generations back, is black, so the child is black? If we’re going to have this debate, does it matter WHAT race the child and the adoptive parents are, as long as they are different from each other?   That’s my point. Chickeyd

That depends on whether we’re discussing the ideal or the real, doesn’t it? J. Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -So what would you and Jacinda suggest as an alternative to trans-racial adoption for these children, given the difficulty in finding suitable adoptive parents within their own ethnic communities? Robin A black family or no family at all! P2P

I’d like someone who really believes in that approach to define "black family" for me.  Or black, for that matter.  Is it a matter of self-definition?  Are the dark skinned African immigrants in my community "black"?   The other night as we were going over my son’s homework, he noticed a book I had pulled off the shelf, "Raising Black Children" Comer, James. P. 1975, 1992.  He wondered who was reading it and why.  "I’m not black," he said.  Not in his own eyes; he identifies himself as Honduran.  But many see him as black, in whatever sense the word has for them.   He could as easily identify himself as bi-racial or possibly tri-racial, if he has the African ancestry so many see in him.   As I watch his tastes in clothing, music and other bits and pieces of this culture evolve, I can’t help buy wonder how he will identify himself by the time he’s a man. J. Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

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