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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Once again- why single out one denomination?  Why not report the backgroundsof all 8 clergy? When is the last time you confessed to a bus driver or a Lutheran minister? Priests have always been held to a higher standard, by the church and the world. They knew that going in.    Dawn Once again…  why single out one demoninations?  Why not report the backgrounds of all 8 clergy?

Thanks for the try… I thought it was a valid question, but guess Dawn didn’t catch it.  :-/

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The real question is. Why are the right wing spinners baiting Catholics? So much more fun. The Catholics take themselves so seriously and have absolutely no sense of humour. One could as easily say that as the Protestants in America outnumber Catholics three to one, that Protestants commit three times as many crimes against children as do Catholics. Actually, the statistics indicate just the opposite. Might be all that obsession with Infant Jesus and "Virgin" Mary.

Do you have any reference to "these statistics?" "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics…"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – programs. We have no scouts (the only scout group in our town is sponsored by the Kinsmen), no teen outreach and only 3 altar servers who never show up for training when it’s scheduled.  Our only priest is 74 and very much the administrator.  The only Church in our town (pop. 7500 + or -) with a very active youth program is the Pentecostal Church. Suzanne  The population of your town is almost the population of my church. There are 2 priests – one old in his 60’s – the pastor, one younger in his 30’s. He does the home visits to try to convince boys to enter the priesthood. In fact when my son complained to me that this priest was even chatting about this at lunch I went to the pastor. I realize they need priests but that was ridiculous. I did eventually pull my kids out last year. This is a huge parish though with many groups. — Dawn Why is it ridiculous for priests to speak to boys about vocations?  Why is it ridiculous for priests to encourage boys to listen to God and see if they hear themselves called to the priesthood? Because my son said he was not interested and the priest continued. My son went though many stages. When he was very young the priest was ‘cool’ and that is what he wanted. He even studied latin. Now that he is older he wants to be a doctor. At least he has use for that latin class :-) In any case this priest doesn’t accept no and many parents have complained. Of course, you will never admit he was wrong to do that, but he was.    Dawn

So the priest is a good salesman.  A good salesman never takes no for an answer. Rather he trys a new take to get his point across.  In this case, the priest is "selling" the idea of vocations to a child who is still confused about what he wants to do. Reading your posts, I have no doubt you poured all the vitrol and hatred for the priesthood you have into your son’s ears.  You shouldn’t have worried.  Against your influence against the priesthood, the priest at school never had a chance.

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Why is it ridiculous for priests to speak to boys about vocations?  Why is it ridiculous for priests to encourage boys to listen to God and see if they hear themselves called to the priesthood?

How would you like it if gay and lesbian groups went around trying to convince your kids to join them ? How is it any different when the Church, a known pedophile group, tries to brainwash your children into joining ? We should have legistlation against this.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned. It always surprises me to hear that.  Our parish must be very different. Our priest’s main contact with kids is at Mass, when they are surrounded by their parents or catechists. Suzanne

Hello Suzanne, I think it depends on the priest, and his motives. He can probably spend little or more time as he chooses. In my parish, priests are active with the boy scouts, with training of altar servers, and other ministries within the parish such as teen outreach programs.  – Dawn

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned. It always surprises me to hear that.  Our parish must be very different. Our priest’s main contact with kids is at Mass, when they are surrounded by their parents or catechists. Suzanne Hello Suzanne, I think it depends on the priest, and his motives. He can probably spend little or more time as he chooses. In my parish, priests are active with the boy scouts, with training of altar servers, and other ministries within the parish such as teen outreach

programs. We have no scouts (the only scout group in our town is sponsored by the Kinsmen), no teen outreach and only 3 altar servers who never show up for training when it’s scheduled.  Our only priest is 74 and very much the administrator.  The only Church in our town (pop. 7500 + or -) with a very active youth program is the Pentecostal Church. Suzanne

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Once again- why single out one denomination?  Why not report the

backgroundsof all 8 clergy? When is the last time you confessed to a bus driver or a Lutheran minister? Priests have always been held to a higher standard, by the church and the world. They knew that going in.    Dawn

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The real question is. Why are the right wing spinners baiting Catholics?

So much more fun. The Catholics take themselves so seriously and have absolutely no sense of humour. One could as easily say that as the Protestants in America outnumber Catholics three to one, that Protestants commit three times as many crimes against children as do Catholics.

Actually, the statistics that began this thread indicate just the opposite. Might be all that obsession with Infant Jesus and "Virgin" Mary.

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The real question is. Why are the right wing spinners baiting Catholics?

So much more fun. The Catholics take themselves so seriously and have absolutely no sense of humour. One could as easily say that as the Protestants in America outnumber Catholics three to one, that Protestants commit three times as many crimes against children as do Catholics.

Actually, the statistics indicate just the opposite. Might be all that obsession with Infant Jesus and "Virgin" Mary.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned. It always surprises me to hear that.  Our parish must be very different. Our priest’s main contact with kids is at Mass, when they are surrounded by their parents or catechists. Suzanne Hello Suzanne, I think it depends on the priest, and his motives. He can probably spend little or more time as he chooses. In my parish, priests are active with the boy scouts, with training of altar servers, and other ministries within the parish such as teen outreach programs. We have no scouts (the only scout group in our town is sponsored by the Kinsmen), no teen outreach and only 3 altar servers who never show up for training when it’s scheduled.  Our only priest is 74 and very much the administrator.  The only Church in our town (pop. 7500 + or -) with a very active youth program is the Pentecostal Church. Suzanne

 The population of your town is almost the population of my church. There are 2 priests – one old in his 60’s – the pastor, one younger in his 30’s. He does the home visits to try to convince boys to enter the priesthood. In fact when my son complained to me that this priest was even chatting about this at lunch I went to the pastor. I realize they need priests but that was ridiculous. I did eventually pull my kids out last year. This is a huge parish though with many groups. — Dawn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned. It always surprises me to hear that.  Our parish must be very different. Our priest’s main contact with kids is at Mass, when they are surrounded by their parents or catechists. Suzanne Hello Suzanne, I think it depends on the priest, and his motives. He can probably spend little or more time as he chooses. In my parish, priests are active with the boy scouts, with training of altar servers, and other ministries within the parish such as teen outreach programs. We have no scouts (the only scout group in our town is sponsored by the Kinsmen), no teen outreach and only 3 altar servers who never show up for training when it’s scheduled.  Our only priest is 74 and very much the administrator.  The only Church in our town (pop. 7500 + or -) with a very active youth program is the Pentecostal Church. Suzanne  The population of your town is almost the population of my church. There are 2 priests – one old in his 60’s – the pastor, one younger in his 30’s. He does the home visits to try to convince boys to enter the priesthood. In fact when my son complained to me that this priest was even chatting about this at lunch I went to the pastor. I realize they need priests but that was ridiculous. I did eventually pull my kids out last year. This is a huge parish though with many groups. — Dawn Why is it ridiculous for priests to speak to boys about vocations?  Why is it ridiculous for priests to encourage boys to listen to God and see if they hear themselves called to the priesthood?

Because my son said he was not interested and the priest continued. My son went though many stages. When he was very young the priest was ‘cool’ and that is what he wanted. He even studied latin. Now that he is older he wants to be a doctor. At least he has use for that latin class :-) In any case this priest doesn’t accept no and many parents have complained. Of course, you will never admit he was wrong to do that, but he was.    Dawn

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned. It always surprises me to hear that.  Our parish must be very different. Our priest’s main contact with kids is at Mass, when they are surrounded by their parents or catechists. Suzanne Hello Suzanne, I think it depends on the priest, and his motives. He can probably spend little or more time as he chooses. In my parish, priests are active with the boy scouts, with training of altar servers, and other ministries within the parish such as teen outreach programs. We have no scouts (the only scout group in our town is sponsored by the Kinsmen), no teen outreach and only 3 altar servers who never show up for training when it’s scheduled.  Our only priest is 74 and very much the administrator.  The only Church in our town (pop. 7500 + or -) with a very active youth program is the Pentecostal Church. Suzanne  The population of your town is almost the population of my church. There are 2 priests – one old in his 60’s – the pastor, one younger in his 30’s. He does the home visits to try to convince boys to enter the priesthood. In fact when my son complained to me that this priest was even chatting about this at lunch I went to the pastor. I realize they need priests but that was ridiculous. I did eventually pull my kids out last year. This is a huge parish though with many groups. — Dawn

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Many Denominations Face Sex Allegations – but experts ponder the prevalence of child molestation accusations against Catholic priests. By Michael Paulson March 13th 2002 The Boston Globe The scourge of clergy sexual abuse has afflicted virtually every religious denomination. In recent years, rabbis, ministers, and gurus have all been charged with molesting children. Hare Krishna temples are filing for bankruptcy because of the anticipated cost of abuse legislation, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are facing a first round of law suits. But the Catholic church has been hit with many more allegations of clergy sexual abuse than any other faith. "There are absolutely no Protestant equivalents" said Anson D. Shupe, a sociologist who researches clergy misconduct. " If I could find some spectacular cases, that would help my career, but I can’t. You don’t have rapacious serial predators, and the Protestant establishment doesn’t tolerate it the way the Catholic establishment has." Shupe’s view is widely, but not universally, held among scholars of clergy sexual abuse. And the statistics seem clear: Scholars say as many as 2,000 priests have been accused nationwide. By contrast, Protestant and non-Christian denominations have had so few reported cases that their leaders can generally count them on one hand.  A 1999 study of clergy misconduct, in which academics with the Hartford Institute for Religion Research spoke with 76 ministers who had, over the last 40 years, served 532 different congregations in 14 different denominations, turned up no instances of sexual abuse of children in these Protestant congregations studied. Snips: There are no comprehensive studies of clergy sexual abuse. The Catholic hierarchy has stonewalled any attempts to do any kind of study on this issue. How do so many priests abuse? One possible explanation — priests are more able to abuse children because of the extraordinary amount of authority and reverence they enjoy within the church. Protestant and Jewish clergy are generally less powerful and can be fired by lay people. Priests also may have more access to children and places in which to abuse them. Many priests live in rectories, which directly adjoin churches, and they sometimes have more involvement with children than other clergy. Most Protestant denominations for example, do not have child altar servers. The Hare Krishnas have been far more open than the Catholic church in responding to the crisis. The Hindu sect published a detailed expose of it’s own wrongdoing, written by a Middlebury College sociologist, in it’s official journal in 1998. A year earlier it has set up a child protection office to investigate and report instances of abuse. For entire article go to : http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/sexabuse/related/031302_abuse.htm

"I really wouldn’t care if they found out that a third of the population of priests was not only molesting children but then killing and eating them as well.  I just really don’t care."

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 Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned.

It always surprises me to hear that.  Our parish must be very different. Our priest’s main contact with kids is at Mass, when they are surrounded by their parents or catechists. Suzanne

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yep – those bus drivers or teachers or foster parents don’t see kids much, eh?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many Denominations Face Sex Allegations – but experts ponder the prevalence of child molestation accusations against Catholic priests. The local news reported on the ‘Candyman’ internet child pornography story last night, saying that there were 2 Catholic priests involved as well as "6other non-Catholic clergy".  That’s a strange way to report it, by singlingout one denomination.  But I shouldn’t be surprised.  Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned.

Once again- why single out one denomination?  Why not report the backgrounds of all 8 clergy?

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The real question is. Why are the right wing spinners baiting Catholics? One could as easily say that as the Protestants in America outnumber Catholics three to one, that Protestants commit three times as many crimes against children as do Catholics. zionism=$=racism.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many Denominations Face Sex Allegations – but experts ponder the prevalence of child molestation accusations against Catholic priests. The local news reported on the ‘Candyman’ internet child pornography story last night, saying that there were 2 Catholic priests involved as well as "6 other non-Catholic clergy". Well, I guess that the non-Catholic clergy made it newsworthy.

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Many Denominations Face Sex Allegations – but experts ponder the prevalence of child molestation accusations against Catholic priests. The local news reported on the ‘Candyman’ internet child pornography story last night, saying that there were 2 Catholic priests involved as well as "6 other non-Catholic clergy".  

Well, I guess that the non-Catholic clergy made it newsworthy.

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Many Denominations Face Sex Allegations – but experts ponder the prevalence of child molestation accusations against Catholic priests. The local news reported on the ‘Candyman’ internet child pornography story last night, saying that there were 2 Catholic priests involved as well as

"6other non-Catholic clergy".  That’s a strange way to report it, by singlingout one denomination.  But I shouldn’t be surprised.  Well who should we be more worried about? Priests come into contact with more kids than many others mentioned. It’s nice to know they are visiting child porn sites! I am happy they arrested them before they went on to the real thing — Dawn

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How many more times are you going to post this misleading and COPYRIGHTED article? The percentage of misconduct among priests is NO higher than in any

otherchurch, other profession, or the population at large.  Send your mail to the Boston Globe. I know for a fact that they check all sources thoroughly. No one asked you to read the article did they? In any case,it was completely true, even though you don’t like it.   Dawn

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How many more times are you going to post this misleading and COPYRIGHTED article? The percentage of misconduct among priests is NO higher than in any other church, other profession, or the population at large.

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Many Denominations Face Sex Allegations – but experts ponder the prevalence of child molestation accusations against Catholic priests.

The local news reported on the ‘Candyman’ internet child pornography story last night, saying that there were 2 Catholic priests involved as well as "6 other non-Catholic clergy".  That’s a strange way to report it, by singling out one denomination.  But I shouldn’t be surprised.

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